Speak Up session on REXX programming with Wayne Swansonm, Dirk Terrell, and Jeff Teunissen.
[19:58:33] <Projects> Freiheit: yes, REXX is in selective install somewhere
-> Theer is also a command to switch between ORexx and REXX
[19:59:03] <Freiheit> hello Nickname, nice, err, nickname :)
* Projects switched... then switched back
[19:59:32] <Projects> ORexx did nasty things here
[19:59:35] <mandie> LOL
[19:59:44] <Swanee> Hi NickName... er I mean Longstaff
[19:59:50] <mandie> Longstaff: I was just about to /msg nickname to tell *him* how to change his nick :)
[20:00:21] <Abraxas> ORexx .... Oh .... Rexx!!!!
[20:00:32] <Abraxas> ooops.....this isn't Gone with Wind?
[20:00:34] <Longstaff> i'm doing this in IA so i can sustain my undernet connection...i forgot i haven't got it set up on this partition :)
[20:02:36] <Chip> I just checked Selective Install and don't see anything that mentions Rexx, per se. Just PMREXX.
[20:03:18] <mandie> hmm
[20:03:22] <Projects> argh... what's the mill. technology url?
[20:03:27] <Freiheit> hmm...pmrexx seems to work, but what I'm trying to do can't (apparently) be done with pmrexx--I'm trying to do that Reboot to... thing that was in OS/2 e-Zine last time
[20:03:35] <Chip> Given the number of install routines that require Rexx, I'd be surprised if it was optional.
[20:03:59] <Projects> !ask databook
[20:04:03] <VoiceBot> [databook] Not found.
[20:04:07] <Abraxas> http://www.millennium-technology.com/
[20:04:15] <Projects> thanks
[20:04:26] <mandie> !set Databook http://www.millennium-technology.com/
[20:04:26] <VoiceBot> [Databook] Has been added.
[20:04:29] <Abraxas> sorry .. should have included the URL in the e-mail :-)
-> OK can we get the preliminaries out of the way?
* Abraxas bangs his gavel (well, a rocks glass)
[20:05:47] <Abraxas> We've never been big on Parlimentary procedure arround here, and we're not about to start now :-)
[20:06:17] <Abraxas> I'd like to welcome everyone to the VOICE Speakup .... "A Night with REXX"
[20:06:40] <mandie> Dirk: hi :)
[20:06:47] <Swanee> There he is! Hi Dirk!
[20:06:51] <Dirk_Terr> greetings everyone :-)
[20:06:51] <Abraxas> Before we begin, I'd like to announce that we have a nomination for the office of Vice President
-> Dirk's fan club swoons
[20:07:05] <mandie> Swanee: I've never seen you sooooooo happy to see someone :)
[20:07:16] <Swanee> mandie: lol
[20:07:41] <Abraxas> Wayne Swanson (Swanee) has just nominated himself for the position
-> Dirk's fan club now swoons for Swanee.
[20:08:21] <Projects> Aha! Knew we'd get him to sign something! :-)
* Swanee takes a deep and humble bow...
-> A fickle bunch these fans
* Swanee can't get back up!
[20:08:37] <Dirk_Terr> :-)
[20:08:50] <mandie> lol
[20:09:30] <mandie> Have we had any members sign up to help with the table at Warpstock yet?
[20:10:02] <Abraxas> It seems our membership has increased the past few days .... Projects, how many new members the past few days?
-> Oh by the way VOICE is looking for a few recruits to man the table at Warpstock
[20:10:22] <JimLarson> mandie: I will be volunteering
[20:10:32] <mandie> Jim: great!
[20:10:47] <Projects> Abraxas: 13 so far
[20:10:55] <mandie> Projects: are the warpstock volunteers emailing you?
[20:11:02] <Swanee> mandie: I did mention that I'd be glad to help too, didn't I?
[20:11:05] <Projects> mandie: not that I've seen yet...
[20:11:10] <mandie> Swanee: you sure did :)
[20:11:32] <Freiheit> alright, active members! the best kind
[20:11:35] <mandie> ok, then they can email me and I'll keep track of who/when they will be helping
-> And that address is?
[20:11:53] <mandie> Warpstock volunteers email email@example.com
* Projects always looks at mandie's email addy, and reads "bright"...
[20:12:41] <Abraxas> mandie you keeping track of Warpstock AND VOICE@Warpstock volunteers?
[20:12:43] <mandie> as it gets closer and the speakers schedule is setup ..we can get our schedule setup for the table...that way everyone can attend the sessions
[20:12:49] <mandie> hehe
-> BTW there is a really nice, clean unused WEBBnet server at irc.pa2.webbnet.org
[20:12:56] <Freiheit> Dirk & Swanee--would you each like to give a short history of your REXX experience before we begin the Q&A?
[20:12:58] <mandie> bri=Brianna=grandaughter :)
[20:12:59] <Swanee> Projects: That must be a silent "H" correct?
[20:13:16] <Swanee> Go ahead Dirk.
[20:13:24] <Projects> Swanee: :) Silent and invisible
[20:13:27] <mandie> abraxas: hopefully RSN we will have a volunteer coord for Warpstock 98 :)
[20:13:31] <Dirk_Terr> :-) I was about to tell you to go ahead.
[20:13:32] <Swanee> Projects: hehe
-> Perhaps Judy could accidently assign some of those WS volunteers to man the VOICE table?
[20:13:53] <Swanee> Dirk_Terr: I'm happy to be second fiddle tonight. ;)
[20:14:09] <mandie> mad: I'm watching for VOICE members :)
[20:14:12] <Dirk_Terr> Ok, well, I started learning Rexx back when I got OS/2 2.0 back in the spring of 1992.
[20:15:03] <Dirk_Terr> I found it very powerful and well-integrated with the operating system. Been using it everyday since then.
[20:15:29] <Dirk_Terr> GA Swanee
[20:15:38] <Swanee> My name is Wayne Swanson and I represent PillarSoft. We have three products that you may be familiar with, WarpZip, the Enhanced E Editors and ShowTime/2. All three of these programs were written with VisPro/Rexx.
[20:15:48] <Swanee> I am certainly not a rexx or VisPro/Rexx guru but I may be able (and am glad to) help anyone that I may have some answers for. I am also happy to learn from others (Dirk's name goes here). Please excuse any delays in answering your questions. I'm sure it won't be because my index fingers are getting worn out. I can type up to 8 words per minute with only 3 mistakes when I'm really on. Any delays will probably be because of server lag.
[20:16:07] <Dirk_Terr> :-)
[20:16:40] <Swanee> Go ahead Abraxas
[20:16:49] <mandie> if I delayed in answering..it would be because I was looking up the answers!
[20:17:00] <Dirk_Terr> LOL!
[20:17:11] <Swanee> mandie: Are you window peeking here? :)
[20:17:14] <mandie> is there a book that you would recommend for beginners?
[20:17:15] <mandie> lol
-> * MADodel bought the REXX in 21 days book for a ZD REXX course that never happened
[20:18:19] <mandie> mad: I have that also..but don't believe they are publishing any longer
[20:18:28] <Swanee> I didn't really read any books. I learned by doing. Although the Rexx Reference Summary Handbook has been useful
-> A collectors item then
* Abraxas bought the same book ... for the same reason :-)
[20:18:34] <Longstaff> if you ask me, vispro rexx itself is pretty well documented
[20:18:36] <Dirk_Terr> I have never read any books on Rexx, but I hear the Schindler book is pretty good. I would recommend that you get a copy of Dick Goran's Rexx Reference Summary Handbook.
* Projects has it too, but forgot to buy the 21 days to learn it in...
[20:19:01] <Chip> IMO, Teach Yourself Rexx in 21 Days by the exteemed Schindlers is the best for beginners.
[20:19:42] <mandie> Dirk: I have Goran's and found that way to advanced for me..I had NO REXX experience
[20:20:07] <mandie> I have the REXX in 21days and the REXX Cookbook is also very good
[20:20:12] <Swanee> There is a zip of the cmd files for that book on Hobbes I beleive. It is really useful to see just how other people work with the language to learn for yourself.
[20:20:16] <Dirk_Terr> Personally, I 've always learned languages by using a text editor and a language reference. :-)
[20:20:23] <Chip> If you want the best for a particular IBM platform, get the IBM pub. In many cases, it's cheaper than a text.
[20:20:42] <JimLarson> I've found the best books if you can get your hands on them are the VM (mainframe OS) REXX books ... that's were REXX and I were introduced.
[20:20:56] <Abraxas> Does IBM have a "Redbook" on REXX?
[20:21:00] <Dirk_Terr> mandie: Yeah, it is a reference book, not a teaching tool any means.
[20:21:25] <Dirk_Terr> Abraxas: Yes, search on Rexx at the Redbooks site.
[20:21:35] <Chip> A large part of the VM, OS/2, and TSO Rexx books is simply reworked Cowlishaw. May as well go to the source.
[20:22:21] <Chip> The Redbooks are more "User Guides" (there are several) and also belong on a serious Rexx programmers' shelf.
[20:22:45] <mandie> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/
[20:23:03] <Abraxas> I believe IBM has recently made most of (or al of) the Redbooks available online
[20:23:05] <JimLarson> I'm looking for a good Object REXX book ...
[20:23:23] <Chip> The best for starting out is Object Rexx by Example by Aviar.
-> * MADodel is not fond of online books. I like paper reading.
[20:23:39] <Dirk_Terr> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/GG244199
[20:24:01] <Chip> If you had attended the recent Rexx Symposium, you would have received one for free (a $40 value).
[20:24:05] <Dirk_Terr> is the Redbook "OS/2 Rexx from Bark to Byte"
[20:24:17] <Longstaff> sometimes you just get more out of a paper book....even compared to high end video
[20:24:23] <mandie> ahhh..that will be added to my links :)
[20:24:46] <Swanee> As far as learning the language, it has always been easier for me to start an easy project and problem solve (with the commands) my way through it.
[20:25:23] <Chip> Another technique is to take an existing program in another language and convert it. Same exercise.
[20:25:24] <Swanee> Every project you do can get more difficult and can recall/reuse your old work.
[20:25:57] <JimLarson> On Friday I put Object REXX on Win95 (not my choice) and am using it with HLLAPI to suck data from CICS. I do do the development on Warp, thank God.
[20:26:15] <mandie> why is it that when you run some of the commands in rexxtry you get errors yet in the actual program they don't show errors?
[20:26:31] <Swanee> mandie: For example?
[20:26:43] <Dirk_Terr> Hard to say without seeing the output.
[20:27:03] <mandie> swanee: I don't have an example handy...but I've had it happen
[20:27:18] <Chip> REXXTRY is executing your code under the covers. SIGNALs and such are going to be trapped.
[20:27:35] <Swanee> Dirk_Terr: Could it be that the cmd you might use inherits Rexxtry's environment?
[20:27:44] <mandie> ahhh, so it's not actually seeing the entire picture
[20:27:51] <Chip> The basic REXXTRY is nothing more than an Interpret in a Do-Loop
[20:28:00] <Dirk_Terr> Well, it could be a whole slew of things. :-)
-> Is there much difference between Mainframe REXX and PC REXX? I have been doing Mainframe programming for 12 years, but never bothered with REXX. That was always the System's guys tool.
[20:28:18] <Swanee> Dirk_Terr: I mean in reference to mandie's ques
[20:28:31] <Chip> No difference in the Rexx, these days. Much difference in the OS interface, obviously.
[20:28:39] <JimLarson> MF "execio" instruction is the big diff.
[20:29:16] <Longstaff> i don't think it's possible to run any kind of gui directly on a mainframe
[20:29:22] <Chip> MVS/OE has finally unloaded EXECIO in favor of the purer Stream I/O function.
[20:31:26] <Swanee> Well, if that's all the questions... I'm off! OK, just kidding... :)
[20:31:31] <Freiheit> Are Object REXX for OS/2 and Object REXX for Win95 identical languages in terms of what can be done? I'd like to help a friend put together a small script for Win95 but I only have OS/2--would there be problems in translating it (different commands, for instance)?
[20:31:47] <Chip> Yes, they are exactly the same code.
[20:31:47] <mandie> Swanee: VP's close the doors behind them :)
[20:32:13] <Chip> Again, the OS commands will differ, obviously.
[20:32:26] <Freiheit> excellent
[20:32:43] <JimLarson> My first tries on Win95 have gone well ... only quite a bit slower than on Warp
[20:32:54] <mandie> Chip: maybe you'd like to tell us abit about yourself..apparently you program in REXX
[20:32:57] <Chip> No comment :-)
[20:33:10] <Swanee> Chip: lol
[20:33:25] <Chip> Sorry, the NC was for the Win95/OS2 comparison.l
[20:33:28] <Swanee> Projects: Can you make him talk?
[20:33:44] <mandie> thought so :0
[20:33:48] <Projects> Swanee: hehehe... not without his signature!
[20:34:16] <Chip> How far back do you want me to go? "When I was a lad I served a term..."
[20:34:37] <mandie> chip: :)...programming background will do :0
[20:34:44] <Freiheit> just as far back as your REXX experience, should do :)
[20:34:54] <Swanee> Chip: Only the last 14 years are important. Unless you have a police record.
[20:35:25] <Chip> That goes back as far as Rexx does. Got a copy of the beta from a friend at SLAC and installed it and fell in love.
[20:36:38] <Chip> Used it as a VM SYSPROG for 8 yrs, taught it to SYSPROGS for 10 years.
[20:37:07] <mandie> just a lil experience :)
[20:37:22] <antman> I've heard good things about Rexx and it
[20:37:42] <antman> simple power. How well known is it outside of IBM?
[20:37:46] <Swanee> Great! Now I can ask Dirk_Terr AND Chip questions! :)
[20:38:05] <Dirk_Terr> :-)
[20:38:20] <Chip> Well, the Rexx Language Association has members all over the world, using it on every conceivable platform.
[20:38:55] <Chip> Even astronomers, who are supposed to go Forth...
[20:39:05] <mandie> do you think we'll see a decrease in the use of REXX as java becomes more and more popular?
[20:39:31] <antman> Do they always use it as an intrepeted language or are there a lot of compilers that can increase the speed of the programs?
[20:39:32] <Dirk_Terr> I doubt it. Rexx has advantages over Java for certain applications.
[20:39:38] <Chip> Well, not exactly, since the latest version of Rexx runs on a JVM and generates 100% pure Java code.
[20:39:54] <mandie> ahhhh
[20:40:20] <mandie> what is needed to convert the .cmd to .exe?
[20:40:27] <Dirk_Terr> Compilers are tough to do for Rexx. The only ones I have heard of are on VM systems.
[20:40:35] <Chip> Being somewhat C-phobic, I prefer NetRexx to Java immensely.
[20:40:53] <Dirk_Terr> I prefer Java to NetRexx :-)
[20:41:27] <JimLarson> I would think the REXX instruction "interpret" would be very difficult to compile.
[20:41:31] <Freiheit> Well, differences of opinion are what make the world go 'round so that's okay :)
[20:41:49] <Chip> You gotta love a language in which the equivalent of the Java Hello, World is "Say 'Hello, World'"
[20:41:58] <Dirk_Terr> :-)
[20:42:39] <Chip> Actually, those smart guys in Austria figured out a way to do Interpret, too.
[20:43:09] <Swanee> Which smart guys?
[20:43:54] <Chip> The IBM Rexx Compiler developers. BTW, It's available on VM and TSO, I believe.
[20:44:46] <Aram> in what directions will the Rexx language be developed in the future?
[20:44:57] <Swanee> That's what I wondered about for quite some time. What prevents Rexx from being a compilable language on other platforms such as OS/2?
[20:44:58] <antman> As you mentioned astronomers earlier ;-) is Rexx suitable for modelling projects that they may do? I suspect that their programs may involve many interations, big numbers, etc? Or is Rexx just for small quick projects?
[20:45:19] <Swanee> Other than haveing a compiler? :)
[20:45:20] <Swanee> having
[20:45:43] <Dirk_Terr> Well, being an astronomer, I can say that for number-crunching things Rexx is not the language of choice. Best to stick with Fortran for that.
[20:47:01] <Swanee> antman: Rexx can be used for bigger projects too but it's not for everything.
[20:47:06] <Chip> I guess you don't need arbitrary precision arithmetic then, do you Dirk?
[20:47:13] <JimLarson> REXX is good for string handling ... on VM we have Fortran programs that call REXX execs to do the string handling for fortran
[20:47:16] <antman> Dirk_Terr: so do you use Rexx in your work?
[20:47:19] <Longstaff> actually, that comment kinda understates the case for rexx arithmetic functions...they're pretty cool
[20:48:11] <Freiheit> I think Aram has a good question there--since (I think it was Dirk) mentioned that REXX still has advantages over Java in some areas, which areas seem to be generating the "next level" of the REXX language?
[20:48:26] <Chip> They are soooooo cool that they are being incorporated in the Java spec, as we speak.
[20:49:35] <Freiheit> and are such changes likely to come down into the OS/2 arena or stay on mainframes?
[20:49:45] <Chip> So far, the only thing I've found that Rexx really doesn't do well, is device drivers.
[20:50:18] <Chip> As it stands, you'll be hard-pressed to name a platform that doesn't have Rexx available, now.
[20:50:45] <Chip> As it was designed to be a language that was easy to learn (and remember, if you didn't use is every day)
[20:51:15] <Chip> the fact that it is more ubiquitous than Perl is a well-kept secret.
[20:51:38] <Swanee> Chip: For most people. :) I still look up parameter order etc all the time. But then I'm OLD! :)
[20:51:40] <Chip> Where Rexx is heading is Java-wards.
[20:52:32] <Chip> And you don't have to look up function parameters in PL/I?
-> Unfortunately since REXX is not included with Windoze, it is unknown to most of the computer illiterati
[20:52:38] <Longstaff> Chip - could you give me an overview of the methodology of adding a rexx procedure to a webpage?
[20:53:22] <Swanee> Chip: I had to look it up to spell PL/1 er... PL/I :)
[20:53:54] <Dirk_Terr> sorry, GTIRC went belly-up
[20:53:54] <Freiheit> welcome back Dirk_Terr, we missed you
[20:53:59] <mandie> ahh
[20:54:01] <Chip> Longstaff: stand by, one.
-> I wasn't aware you could add REXX to a WEB page
[20:54:28] <JimLarson> Xitami webserver supports REXX as cgi
[20:54:29] <mandie> I wasn't either
[20:54:30] <Swanee> Longstaff: Using it like CGI?
[20:54:34] <Freiheit> MAD, I know of a few OS/2 web servers that allow for REXX scripting (a la CGI)
[20:54:52] <Dirk_Terr> Yeah, I write just about all of my CGI scripts in Rexx
[20:54:58] <antman> We run Rexx scripts for a simple search off our web pages. runs out out of the cgi-bin directory natively on our os/2 web server. Nice!
[20:55:10] <Dirk_Terr> any web server can use it as long as you have a Rexx interpreter
[20:55:17] <Chip> Longstaff: ref: HTML 3.2 & CGI Unleashed, Pro Ref Ed. (SAMS). Whole chapter on Rexx CGI.
[20:56:21] <Longstaff> ahh, but as cgi it's feasable
[20:56:22] <Freiheit> Longstaff, so you want REXXScript (like MS's VBSCript)?
[20:57:03] <Freiheit> because Java is still unstable with NS/2 :(
[20:57:19] <Longstaff> freiheit - i was thinking more of netrexx embedded in an html page
[20:57:27] <Dirk_Terr> Yeah, I have Java turned off in NS/2
[20:57:45] <Chip> Freiheit: unstable?
[20:58:08] <Chip> Isn't REXXScript somewhat of an oxymoron?
[20:58:23] <Freiheit> yeah, NS/2 tends to crash/hang more when encountering Java than with anything else
[20:58:26] <Dirk_Terr> Redundant anyway. :-)
[20:58:32] <Freiheit> but HotJava (being pure Java) would likely work better with it
[20:58:52] <mandie-> he'll let us mirror!
[20:59:05] <Freiheit> speaking of HotJava, anyone care to field a question on the default HotJava 1.1.2 REXX script? I had problems with it, but apparently others did not--perhaps someone can help me pinpoint my problem with it?
-> Java has gotten better with the last releases
[20:59:17] <Chip> Rather than turn of JAVA, turn off the Just-in-time compiler. That's the source of a lot of headaches.
-> Ah HJ1.1.4 is now out Freiheit
[20:59:43] <Dirk_Terr> Chip: nope, even with JIT off I get NS/2 hangs
[20:59:44] <Freiheit> it is?
[20:59:52] <Freiheit> sheesh, I just got this thing 3 days ago
[21:00:00] <Swanee> Freiheit: Is it the same question you had the other night?
[21:00:06] <Freiheit> Swanee, yes
[21:00:21] <Freiheit> I can't get it to work--I get a REXX error
[21:00:31] <Chip> Lay it on us.
[21:00:41] <Dirk_Terr> My HJ script works fine. What's the error?
[21:00:44] <Freiheit> okay, this is part of the script...
[21:00:51] <Freiheit> hotjava_home=LEFT( program , LASTPOS( '\BIN\', program ) - 1 ) ;
[21:00:55] <Swanee> You were gone when I saw it. You need to "Translate" the variable so they are both uppercase.
[21:00:59] <Freiheit> whoop
[21:01:03] <Freiheit> darn GTIRC :)
[21:01:24] <Freiheit> anyway, when I run it I get this...
[21:01:33] <Freiheit> 36 +++ hotjava_home = LEFT(program, LASTPOS('\BIN\', program) - 1);
[21:01:33] <Freiheit> REX0040: Error 40 running H:\hotjava1.1.2\hotjava.cmd, line 36: Incorrect call to routine
[21:01:53] <Freiheit> hotjava.cmd being hotjava.os2.cmd renamed
[21:02:09] <Chip> There's not too many things that will croak a LEFT, and a value of the 2nd parm less than 1 will do it.
[21:02:17] <Dirk_Terr> I'll bet variable program doesn't have "\BIN\" in it.
[21:02:25] <mandie> freiheit: I put nothing in my config and I put the environment statements in the parameters and ran hotjava.cmd and it ran from the get go
[21:02:54] <mandie> path: I:\HOTJAVA\BIN\HOTJAVA.CMD
[21:03:06] <mandie> parameters: java -ms4m -mx32m -Dhotjava.home=$HOTJAVA_HOME -Djava.home=$JAVA_HOME sunw.hotjava.Main
[21:03:12] <Chip> Keep in mind that Rexx per se, is not case sensitive, by DATA (especially for functions) is. If you've go "\bin\" you'll die.
[21:03:42] <Dirk_Terr> Yep, string compares are case sensitive.
[21:03:43] <Swanee> hotjava_home = LEFT(program, LASTPOS('\BIN', Translate(program))
[21:03:53] <Swanee> Oops?
[21:04:52] <Swanee> You may need the "program" translated earlier if the case doesn't match your actual directory.
[21:05:22] <mandie> freiheit: which version of java are you using?
[21:05:46] <Freiheit> 1.1.4 with the latest (I believe) fixes
[21:06:32] <Freiheit> it's not the Java failing, as I got HotJava to run by specifically stating the environment variables, but REXX is croaking on the provided .cmd file
[21:06:54] <Chip> If you don't mind cobbling the routine, put a Trace I just ahead of line 36 (and a Trace O after it) and see what you get.
[21:07:19] <Freiheit> though I assume I do have greater REXX problems on my system, considering my inability to run a REXX script from the desktop
[21:07:21] <Chip> That will tell you what the Rexx code is seeing.
[21:07:38] <Dirk_Terr> Check the value of "program" right before that call. You may need to put a line "program=Translate(program) just before that line where you get the error.
[21:08:02] <Swanee> Freiheit: Yeah, what Dirk_Terr said :)
[21:08:19] <Freiheit> all I've got before that is: parse source OS2 what program
[21:08:38] <Chip> Your meta-problem is more interesting: what exactly do you get when you try to run a Rexx program?
[21:08:42] <Dirk_Terr> Yep, I bet program is coming in lowercase.
[21:08:44] <Freiheit> (as the only other thing that mentions program)
[21:08:50] <Swanee> I'll bet a donut and coffee at WarpStock that it needs to be upper cased.
[21:09:08] <Chip> Easy test: rename your script to UC.
[21:09:13] <Freiheit> Chip, nothing at all
[21:09:23] <Chip> OK, you
[21:09:29] <Swanee> Chip: Yep... :0
[21:09:37] <Swanee> :)
[21:09:52] <Freiheit> so rename hotjava.cmd to HOTJAVA.CMD ?
[21:09:55] <Chip> 're in a OS/2 window, and you say REXXTRY at the prompt. Do you get anything?
[21:10:09] <Chip> Yep.
[21:10:10] <Swanee> Yep!
[21:10:20] <Freiheit> okay, I did that but it still gave the error
[21:10:22] <mandie> may hotjava worked without changing anything
[21:10:27] <mandie> may=my
[21:10:42] <Freiheit> typing REXXTRY gives me that program--says to enter 'exit' to end.
[21:11:02] <Chip> This could be a HPFS/FAT issue.
[21:11:02] <Dirk_Terr> Put a line "say program" right before that line and see what it prints out.
* Freiheit is on HPFS
[21:11:02] <Chip> OK, if Rexxtry is working, that's something.
[21:11:38] <Freiheit> H:\hotjava1.1.2\HOTJAVA.CMD
[21:11:38] <Freiheit> 37 +++ hotjava_home = LEFT(program, LASTPOS('\bin\ ', program) - 1);
[21:11:38] <Freiheit> REX0040: Error 40 running H:\hotjava1.1.2\HOTJAVA.CMD, line 37: Incorrect call to routine
[21:11:47] <Freiheit> the say program did nothing
-> * MADodel doesn't use a REXX script to runn HJ112. Just a Java object
[21:12:08] <Dirk_Terr> Ok, variable program seems to be null
[21:14:02] <Swanee> What was your "parse arg" statement? That should be getting the "program" variable but in RexxTry will it give the same result? Probably not.
[21:14:03] <mandie> mad: just path: java.exe and then the environment statements in parameters
* mandie forgot the ?
-> parameter = -classpath F:\JAVA11\lib\classes.zip;F:\JAVA11\HOTJAVA1.1.2\lib\classes.zip;F:\JAVA11\HOTJAVA1.1.2\lib\. -noasyncgc -ms4m -mx32m -Dhotjava.home=F:\JAVA11\HOTJAVA1.1.2 -Djava.home=F:\JAVA11 sunw.hotjava.Main
[21:16:46] <mandie> mad: ah, so the classpath isn't pulled from the config by REXX
-> Somehow that works. I do have SET HOTJAVA.HOME=F:\JAVA11\HotJava1.1.2 in my config.sys
[21:17:29] <Swanee> Freiheit: You've been trying to start it from Rexxtry?
[21:18:32] <Freiheit> hmm...somewhere along the line I got redirected to a dead server
[21:20:01] <mandie> bseward: welcome :)
[21:20:08] <Bseward> Hello
[21:20:30] <Bseward> whats the ircd server so i can use irc and not a web page
[21:20:33] <Swanee> Freiheit: On the line following "parse arg source OS2 what program" type "say source OS2 what program" then run it from the command line. Send us the result.
[21:20:51] <Chip> hmmm.... the routine is trying to set hotjava_home to the directory in which it finds ITSELF, assuming that it is in a \BIN\ subdir.
-> try irc.pa2.webbnet.org
[21:20:54] <mandie> trixer!
[21:21:02] <Bseward> ok thanks
[21:21:10] <trixer> hiyas
[21:21:14] <mandie> warpedworld.dyndns.com won't resolve...dumb service
[21:21:26] <Chip> Is this the case? Is hotjava.cmd in the \BIN\?
[21:21:31] <Bseward> brb
[21:21:43] <mandie> chip: yes
[21:21:45] <Swanee> Chip: I'll check what I have...
-> well Warped world should get a static ip address. :-)
[21:21:56] <Freiheit> hmm, it's working now--I goofed somewhere
[21:22:01] <trixer> bseward is in Florida...why don't he use a Florida server?
[21:22:03] <mandie> mad: soon...cable due 3rd quarter :)
[21:22:17] <mandie> trixer: must you be SO sensible!
[21:22:27] <trixer> but mads server is as good a place as any :)
* Dirk_Terr offered it to mandie too late :-)
[21:22:34] <Chip> Freiheit: glad we could help! :-)))
[21:22:34] <Freiheit> I think when I went through to see why it wasn't working originally, I deleted a space or something, 'cos I just dug out the very original script and ran it and it's fine
[21:22:44] <mandie> dirk :)
[21:23:01] <Freiheit> though it doesn't help me figure out why it failed the first time i ran it, but it's working now so I'll try and figure that out later :)
[21:23:15] <trixer> mandie: did I hear U was going to a cable modem?
[21:23:18] <Freiheit> thanks for the help and making me go look at the code a second time :)
[21:23:30] <mandie> trixer: as soon as it's available in my area
[21:23:31] <trixer> hi BS!
[21:23:34] <trixer> err Bseward
[21:23:36] <trixer> :>
[21:23:38] <mandie> freiheit: compare the 2 files
[21:23:39] <Bseward> ahhh thats Better a real irc
[21:23:42] <Chip> Freiheit: is it possible you have a second copy lying around?
[21:23:45] <trixer> oh
[21:23:50] <Bseward> Hey Trixer !!
[21:23:51] <mandie> trixer: will that cause a problem with ircd?
[21:24:13] <trixer> mandie: not that I know of
[21:24:21] <Bseward> irc.suntrix.com didnt work any more :>
[21:24:23] <mandie> duh..Madodel has cable :)
[21:24:37] <SunnyBear> Bseward: we're irc.webbnet.org now
[21:24:39] <Freiheit> oh, but in the original script it did point to BIN and I have bin
[21:24:41] <SunnyBear> do a /links
[21:24:46] <Freiheit> so that did need to be changed--you were right
[21:24:58] <trixer> just that I thought cable-modems weren't full-duplex...send at 56k and recieve at 500k or something rediculous like that
[21:25:49] <mandie> trixer: I thought they were faster than ISDN ???
[21:25:50] <Swanee> Freiheit: I just got it...
[21:25:58] <trixer> nice to see Bseward since he's been juch a stranger lately
[21:26:09] <Swanee> Mine did the same thing
[21:26:14] <mandie> Trixer: we had our house rewired Sat..and somehow my bitsurfr lost all configuration
[21:26:16] <trixer> mandie: they recieve faster but not send
[21:26:18] <Longstaff> trixer - that's 56k phoneline modems...cable is 560 kbps in both directions
[21:26:21] <Bseward> he he :>
[21:26:24] <mandie> ended up manually configuring through os/2
[21:26:28] <mandie> what a PITA!
[21:26:39] <JimLarson> Does anyone know how good the SmartSuite 1-2-3 REXX API is?
[21:26:42] <trixer> \sending is what matters in this case
-> trixer: not true, at least not with mine. It's 500K in each direction
[21:27:05] <Bseward> what box would u build/ buy if your wife says ok get a new puter :> (for os/2)
[21:27:12] <Dirk_Terr> JL: I'm about to find out. Look for review in e-Zine! at the end of the month
[21:27:17] <Swanee> I added "program=TRANSLATE(program)" to the line following "parse source OS2 what program" and HotJava started.
-> Does SS/2 use REXX?
[21:27:31] <trixer> don't you have an analog port on the cablemodem?
[21:27:32] <mandie> dirk: did you just switch to cable modem?
[21:27:34] <Chip> Not by personal experience, but I know the guy who designed it, and he did Object Rexx before he went to Lotus.
[21:27:42] <mandie> oops
[21:27:46] <trixer> along with a BNC port?
[21:27:48] <mandie> misread :)
[21:27:59] <Dirk_Terr> mandie: not we're on a T-1
-> trixer: no both directions, one cable
[21:28:08] <Bseward> [Freiheit PING reply]: 1min 50secs
[21:28:13] <JimLarson> The old 123G had a REXX API one could add in ... worked OK
[21:28:20] <trixer> mad: oic
[21:29:01] <Longstaff> i saw rexx instructions on the warp smartsuite website
[21:29:03] <trixer> mad: guess that'll last as long as there aren't hunderds of cablemodems in your neighborhood :)
[21:29:34] <JimLarson> Mesa has a good one
-> trixer: right now there is no competition. telco sucks
[21:29:49] <mandie> Mesa=spreadsheet?
[21:29:51] <Freiheit> a killable hung program thread there :)
[21:29:59] <JimLarson> mandie: yes
[21:30:13] <Dirk_Terr> You can call Rexx programs from LotusScript/
[21:30:44] <JimLarson> Good ... SS/2 may be worth installing then
[21:31:00] <mandie> I'll get it just for the organizer
[21:31:34] <Longstaff> i just doublechecked the site...i was thinking of lotusScript
[21:32:17] <Chip> (Starting a different thread) Has anyone gotten a WorkPad (PalmPilot) to HotSync to OS/2?
[21:32:31] <JimLarson> I wish PMView had a REXX API so I could display graphics (weather maps et al) without using a browser.
[21:32:34] <mandie> Dirk: ever consider offering REXX classes on os2ss as ZDnet once did?
[21:32:56] <Dirk_Terr> LotusREXXManager
[21:32:57] <Dirk_Terr> When you use LotusScript in the OS/2 operating environment, you can use the
[21:32:58] <Dirk_Terr> LotusREXXManager as an interface with the OS/2 IBM REXX interpreter. The LotusREXXManager
[21:32:58] <Dirk_Terr> allows users of Lotus SmartSuite and Lotus Notes to access REXX functionality implemented in
[21:32:59] <Dirk_Terr> OS/2. It also allows users to extend the capabilities of LotusScript by using REXX commands and
[21:33:00] <Dirk_Terr> functions.
[21:33:01] <Dirk_Terr> The LotusREXXManager is similar to a LotusScript class in that it contains properties, methods,
[21:33:13] <Dirk_Terr> ts which can be scripted. These language elements allow the LotusScript developer to
[21:33:13] <Dirk_Terr> start a REXX interpreter session and interact with it.
[21:33:14] <Dirk_Terr> Although any number of LotusREXXManagers can be instantiated at any given time, only one
[21:33:15] <Dirk_Terr> manager object can execute the REXX interpreter at a time. This is due to the fact that the
[21:33:15] <Dirk_Terr> LotusREXXManager is designed to manage one REXX interpreter session per manager object. An
-> JimLarsen: Well theer is Elementary for Weather sites
[21:33:16] <Dirk_Terr> interpreter session is started using the methods RxCommand, RxFunction, or RxA
[21:33:41] <Dirk_Terr> Well, that sort of worked :-)
[21:34:18] <Dirk_Terr> mandie: I have thought about doing it. If there's enough demand...
[21:34:41] <JimLarson> MADodel:other things would be market graphs and stuff that Elem. wouldn't do
[21:34:45] <mandie> JAVA for beginners would be excellent also :)
[21:35:05] <mandie> Ike: hello :)
[21:35:12] <mandie> oops
[21:35:20] <Swanee> mandie: hehe
[21:35:22] <Dirk_Terr> Yeah, I've thought about that one too. :-)
[21:35:35] <mandie> :)
* Swanee thinks Mandie doesn't know if she's coming or going... :)
[21:36:15] <Dirk_Terr> JL: You could probably modify the code in the last 3 Rexx Files columns to do what you want.
[21:36:18] <mandie> swanee: :)
[21:36:29] <Swanee> mandie: But at least you're the friendly one! :)
[21:36:41] <mandie> after the fact :)
[21:36:57] <JimLarson> Dirk_Terr: Huh?
[21:37:15] <Dirk_Terr> My Rexx column in OS/2 e-Zine! :-)
[21:37:16] <Swanee> Freiheit: Did you get that last note before you fell away from the channel?
[21:37:27] <Freiheit> doubtful :(
[21:37:44] <JimLarson> Oh!. I'll take a look later.
[21:38:08] <Dirk_Terr> It was a series of three articles on how to talk to a web server.
[21:38:42] <Dirk_Terr> I did something similar a few years ago when I created the weather center on GEnie.
[21:39:15] <Swanee> I have the same script as you. I got the same error. I added a line right after the "parse source OS2 what program" line like this. "program=TRANSLATE(program" Then ran the script. HotJava started!
[21:39:51] <mandie> bluegrass: hi :)
[21:39:53] <Swanee> Oops! that should be "program=TRANSLATE(program)"
[21:40:03] <Freiheit> okay, thanks for the info Swanee
[21:40:16] <Swanee> That HAS to work. :)
[21:40:21] <Projects> anyone... what's the two-letter designation for Massachusetts?
[21:40:33] <mandie> MA
[21:40:33] <Abraxas> MA
[21:40:35] <JimLarson> Dirk_Terr: I can get the graphic easily with a little object Rexx program "httpget". I'm doing what I want to do now with a REXX API called APTM ... but it isn't asteticlly pleasing
[21:40:37] <Projects> thanks
[21:40:40] <Longstaff> Projects: MA
[21:40:44] <Swanee> MA man... :)
[21:41:04] <Projects> what about Maine?
[21:41:10] <Swanee> ME?
[21:41:11] <Abraxas> ME
[21:41:16] <Dirk_Terr> Yes, APTM is nice. I wish they would have updated it for Warp 4. (There are some bugs in int.)
[21:41:18] <mandie> ME
[21:41:30] <Projects> heh... I'll never get these things figured out :p
[21:41:50] <mandie> I think I missed something....
[21:42:11] <mandie> Dirk: you have 3 articles in os2 eZine on how to talk to the webserver using REXX ?
[21:42:27] <Dirk_Terr> mandie: yes
[21:42:51] <mandie> is it all through cgi?
[21:42:52] <Dirk_Terr> the example program runs a search on AltaVista
[21:42:53] <JimLarson> Dirk_Terr: which volume and number?
[21:43:04] <Dirk_Terr> mandie: yes
[21:43:27] <mandie> I can't wait til I get a static ip and setup my own server!
[21:43:29] <Chip> Dinner's getting cold. Gotta go. Check out the Rexx Language Association homepage at www.rexxla.org for all sorts of Rexx-related help.
[21:43:43] <Freiheit> Thanks for coming and chatting Chip
[21:43:44] <mandie> I run my rexx program on my machine and then have it u/l to the server :(
[21:43:47] <Dirk_Terr> JL: oh, let's see the mid-month issues for Mar, Apr and May
[21:43:54] <mandie> chip: thx for the input tonight! :)
[21:44:00] <Swanee> Chip: Is there a chance that the wizards in Austria will ever work toward an OS/2 Rexx compiler? (OK, it's a longshot but it would be very welcome)
[21:44:46] <Dirk_Terr> IBM: "A Rexx compiler for OS/2 is of no interest to our mdeium to large customers..."
[21:44:49] <Swanee> Also, what about VisualAge for (Net)Rexx?
[21:45:00] <Chip> I wouldn't bet on much of anything for OS/2 at this point (BIG SIGH).
[21:45:13] <Swanee> Dirk_Terr: Can't you talk them into it? :)
[21:45:27] <Chip> VA for NetRexx is in the works. Saw some screen shots; looks 'way cool.
[21:45:33] <mandie> hard to talk to deaf ears :(
[21:45:34] <Freiheit> As I said before, due to my lag early on and then my netsplit, I hope someone else was logging (I believe someone was) so the log of tonight's session should still make it to the VOICE website tonight or early tomorrow
-> Perhaps the US DOJ can persuade them?
[21:45:40] <mandie> lol
[21:45:57] <Dirk_Terr> Swanee: I doubt it at this point. But give me a few months...
[21:46:10] <Swanee> Dirk_Terr: :)
[21:46:11] <mandie> hmmm
[21:46:25] <Swanee> I've got my fingers crossed.
[21:46:25] <mandie> that actually sounds promising :)
[21:47:05] <Dirk_Terr> Well, let's just say that we have something humongous in progress for the OS/2 SOHO market. :-)
[21:47:36] <Chip> As a general rule, I don't recommend the Rexx compiler to my clients unless they have a need for code-hiding. The additional
[21:47:38] <Swanee> Dirk_Terr: I like what I'm hearing. :)
[21:47:41] <mandie> excellent!!! will we hear anything about it at Warpstock 98?
[21:47:45] <Chip> performance is not worth the effort.
[21:47:54] <Longstaff> the delicate thing about that at this point is suggesting anything to ibm that could be viewed in competition to java
[21:48:11] <Dirk_Terr> It will be the buzz of Warpstock, trust me. :-)
[21:48:15] <Swanee> Chip: Really? I assumed that it would make quite a big diff.
[21:48:19] <mandie> KEWL!!!
* Freiheit is about ready to kill for a plane ticket to Warpstock :)
[21:49:05] <Chip> If you are doing a lot of math, maybe, but most Rexx programs won't see a significant speedup, esp. if you factor in the programmer time.
[21:49:07] <Freiheit> Please send your donations of appreciation to...
[21:49:09] <Abraxas> Freiheit gotta thumb?
[21:49:27] <Chip> ... and four fingers, too... ;-)
[21:49:48] <JimLarson> There are box cars going from LA to Chicago everyday
[21:49:56] <mandie> lol
[21:50:04] <Freiheit> heheh
[21:50:20] <Swanee> Chip: I guess interpreted rexx isn't that bad. It's just... well, you know. We want fast cars and fast apps.
[21:50:23] <Swanee> :)
[21:50:50] <Longstaff> Freiheit - ship yourself FedEx...you'll be more comfortable than flying coach out of la :)
[21:51:27] <Abraxas> Longstaff AS LONG AS THE DOGS DON'T "SNIFF HIM OUT" :-)
[21:51:29] <Chip> If you measure efficiency as the time between writing the code and the finished product, the interpreter is actually faster than the compiler.
[21:51:54] <mandie> Dirk: do you see any light at the end of the tunnel for the end users?...or just SOHO ?
[21:52:15] <Swanee> Is writing the code done any differently?
[21:52:15] <Dirk_Terr> Well, I include end-users in SOHO
[21:52:26] <mandie> that's even better!
[21:52:41] <Swanee> Apparently, but I guess I don't know why...
[21:52:44] <Dirk_Terr> and yes, there is a supernova at the end of the tunnel :-)
[21:52:47] <Chip> Swanee: nope, just the debugging procedure.
[21:52:50] <mandie> I was happy to hear that there may be a Warp 2000....I'd love to have all fixes combined
[21:53:11] <mandie> oh, I'm not going to be able to sleep now!
[21:53:16] <Dirk_Terr> heh heh heh :-)
[21:53:42] <Chip> Dirk: are you ref. the Nader letter?
[21:53:56] <Dirk_Terr> Chip: no
[21:53:58] <Freiheit> that's it, I'm hitching a ride to Warpstock, sleeping on someone's floor, and sneaking in the back door of the building
[21:54:02] <Swanee> Chip: Oh, OK... I get it. :)
[21:54:03] <mandie> LOL
[21:54:10] <Dirk_Terr> What Nader proposes won't happen in a million years
[21:54:48] <Chip> Dirk: then the Stardock proposal?
[21:54:57] <Dirk_Terr> nope
[21:55:05] <mandie> Stardock will never see os/2 source code :)
[21:55:11] <Dirk_Terr> somethinf completely different
-> Your converting everything to NT?
[21:55:34] <Freiheit> IBM getting off their lazy duffs and promoting their own product? :)
* mandie had nice thoughts of Dirk up until tonight!
[21:55:48] <Aram> how about a port of OS/2 PPC to Intel?
[21:55:49] <Swanee> The VOICE Channel. Tonight it's "Twenty Questions To Dirk T"
[21:55:50] <Chip> Well, I guess we'll have to find some way to get RexxLA to WS98 after all.
[21:55:52] <mandie> you know this is all going to be on WarpCity as soon as our log hits the site :)
[21:55:57] <Dirk_Terr> MaDodel: fat chance :-)
[21:56:14] <Freiheit> haha, true mandie
[21:56:20] <Freiheit> maybe sooner
[21:56:23] <mandie> chip: great :)
[21:56:51] <Abraxas> Chip the more, the meerier :-)
[21:57:01] <Freiheit> Swanee, I had 2 questions I was going to direct to you about REXX, but I forgot 'em--sorry
[21:57:08] <mandie> dirk: you'll probably put it out in your PR..right
[21:57:12] <Swanee> Chip: They need a rep there at least! Hmmm... whom would you suggest? :)
[21:57:54] <Dirk_Terr> mandie: not at this point. Negotiations are not yet complete. We'll see how things develop.
[21:57:55] <Chip> Well, they made me President against my will; I guess it's only fair I get _some_ good out of all the work... :-)
[21:57:56] <Swanee> Freiheit: I'll be around :0
[21:58:07] <JimLarson> Dirk_Terr: found the articles ... did a search on REXX ... looks very interesting
[21:58:16] <Swanee> Chip: :)
[21:58:17] <Abraxas> Chip we may have smething in common :-)))
[21:58:27] <Dirk_Terr> JL: ok, good
[21:58:31] <Abraxas> along with Swanee
[21:58:32] <mandie> dirk: well, it's great to know that we have folks out there that still care about OS/2 and the *lil* guys :)
[21:58:43] <Dirk_Terr> :-)
[21:58:57] <SunnyBear> and gals
* Freiheit wants his Warpstock '97 CD
[21:59:12] <Swanee> Abraxas: Only a nominee... only a nominee...
[21:59:15] <Freiheit> heheheh, oh well
[21:59:17] <mandie> oh, those too..:)
[21:59:36] <mandie> freiheit: email firstname.lastname@example.org
[21:59:37] <Abraxas> Swanee yes .... FOR NOW
[21:59:46] <Chip> OK, now I've gotta nuke that dinner. 'Twas fun, guys&gals. See you next time.
[21:59:54] <mandie> chip: g'nite :)
[21:59:56] <Freiheit> bye Chip
[21:59:57] <Dirk_Terr> later Chip
[21:59:58] <Abraxas> Thanx, Chip
[22:00:13] <Swanee> I'm glad to hear that you have something cooking Dirk. I can't wait until you can embellish...
[22:00:23] <Swanee> Bye Chip
[22:00:25] <SunnyBear> night Chip (from the silent cute one)
[22:00:26] <Dirk_Terr> Me either :-)
[22:00:31] <mandie> hmmm..isn't that a graphics program :)
[22:00:31] <Freiheit> no, Embellish is something completely different
[22:00:32] <SunnyBear> :)
[22:00:36] <mandie> lol
[22:00:41] <mandie> freiheit: GMTA :)
[22:00:45] <Freiheit> :)
* Swanee though "I" was the silent cute one...
[22:02:05] <Freiheit> aren't we all cute on IRC?
[22:02:16] <Freiheit> well, I know I'm not, but aren't most? :)
[22:02:16] <mandie> we be beautiful on IRC!
[22:02:33] <mandie> atleast sunnybear and me :)
[22:02:55] <SunnyBear> yeah... mandie and me... @:)
* trixer will brb
[22:02:58] <Swanee> Freiheit: hehe, yeah, we can be anything we want to be. I'm the tall, dark and... oh well, you can see for yourself!
[22:03:15] <mandie> Warpstock will tell all folks :)
[22:03:23] <trixer> yeah
[22:03:29] <trixer> thats why I ain't going :)
[22:03:32] <Freiheit> don't anyone look at my pics from Warpstock '97 though :)
[22:03:32] <mandie> LOL
[22:03:40] <Swanee> Oh yeah... I may NOT be able to make it anymore...
[22:03:45] <Freiheit> I don't normally look that bad
[22:03:56] <mandie> swanee: yeah, right!
[22:03:56] <Swanee> Freiheit: Which ones are you on?
* Abraxas will freely admit to being the "short, fat guy" at the VOICE table (but no yellow hat) :-)))
[22:04:09] <JimLarson> and I'm bringing my digital camera to WarpStock to save all the good looks for prosterity
[22:04:10] <mandie> you know what's nice about this all
[22:04:18] <Freiheit> I don't even remember anymore, but one of 'em (with mandie & Agios) is on my website
[22:04:21] <Swanee> Abraxas: What's the pic name?
* trixer would like to ask all of ya to not be a stranger to WEBBnet and bring all of your friends too
[22:04:43] <Abraxas> Swanee ... no ... not WS97 ....WS98
[22:04:45] <mandie> we get to know everyone in irc and we basically have an idea of what their personality is...and looks mean nothing after that :)
[22:04:47] <Freiheit> no, the yellow hat was Tom's
[22:04:58] <Abraxas> Freiheit hehehe
[22:05:06] <SunnyBear> yeah... our website is OS/2 friendly.... (most of it that is)
[22:05:08] <mandie> trixer: I'm running out of friends my dear :)
[22:05:15] <trixer> remember, people go where people are
[22:05:30] <mandie> I hear Forest Gump in there somewhere :)
[22:05:31] <Abraxas> SunnyBear then how come NS/2 crashes on the main page (java related) ???
[22:05:33] <Freiheit> friends?
[22:05:34] <Swanee> mandie: hehe, we sure hope it doesn't matter. :)
[22:05:36] <Freiheit> what're they?
[22:05:37] <SunnyBear> mandie: yer a god-send...
[22:05:43] <trixer> mandie: not you....the "draw" :P
[22:05:47] <SunnyBear> it won't now, Abraxas
[22:06:00] <SunnyBear> I took the JS1.2 newsbox off it...
[22:06:09] <Abraxas> SunnyBear kewl .... I'll try it (just as soon as this meeting is over)
[22:06:19] <SunnyBear> but DON"T, i repeat DON'T go in the news section
[22:06:23] <mandie> sunny :)
[22:06:36] <Abraxas> SunnyBear K ... thanx for the "tip"
-> It's booby trapped.
[22:06:44] <SunnyBear> that nasty newsbox is lurking in the news and weather section..
[22:07:10] <JimLarson> Thanks for the info tonight ... good evening all.
[22:07:18] <Freiheit> okay, well unless anyone still has REXX questions, I think the meeting is over *looks around*
[22:07:18] <trixer> get a petition going to get IBM off their arse and release Communicator/2
[22:07:19] <mandie> Jim: thx for coming :)
[22:07:21] <trixer> :>
[22:07:22] <Dirk_Terr> night Jim
[22:07:48] <Freiheit> Thank you for coming Dirk & Swanee, it was informative and enjoyable
[22:07:56] <Dirk_Terr> enjoyed it
[22:08:18] <Freiheit> but now I must go--whoever's got the full log, please mail it to me--thanks :)
[22:08:21] <Swanee> Your welcome. Less painfull than expected... :)
[22:08:27] <mandie> yes, thanks Dirk and Swanee :)
[22:08:38] <mandie> swanee: next session .... :)
[22:09:04] <Swanee> mandie: Yes?