General Meeting from 01/17/00

mandie    ah, why can't they email them to me :( Sector    Maybe we should invite Steve Ballmer to one of our speakups, Bill Gates II. Sector    I'd like to see Mr. Soyring in one of thses chat sessions ... moderated of Sector    course. mandie    now I know why they didn't bother :) Sector    Don't ask me, I just live here mandie    lol Sector    Well, the first one at least could be usuable... mandie    ah, Adrian...yes mandie    You might have more pull with him than I do :) *   Sector gives mandie a ten mouse power engine to pull with mandie    hehe Sector    Ok, now where's that vice president to call this meeting to orderù Sector    (besides being fashionably late as usuall) *   WarpHoss thinks Swanee may attempt a coup. Sector    Yeah, maybe he's busy planning that mandie    he's probably trying to find his bow tie...can't wear a tux without a bow tie you know :) mandie    lol WarpHoss    lol WarpHoss    could be lookin for guido... or someone to help him with the coup attempt. mandie    with Wayne....ANYTHING is possible :) *   WarpHoss abstains from agreement. Sector    Hi MADvirc mandie    hiya Mark MADvirc    Hello all MADvirc    Are we bothering with a meeting tonight? Sector    We've got one scheduled... Sector    Just not too many participants mandie    I think we should discuss WarpTech 2000 WarpHoss    Amongst a few other things. MADvirc    OK then someone list an agenda mandie    oh yes...*those* too :) mandie    you are MAD! :) mandie    I didn't see any agenda posted....did I miss something? WarpHoss    WPTCH2000 , speakup ideas, WD and anything else that comes up. WarpHoss    In the tradition of Dan and Swannee informal is best. MADvirc    Neither did I, but I haven't felt well all weekend, and I'd like this to go smoother then meetings have been of late WarpHoss    I would too MADvirc. WarpHoss    Sorry to hear you been feelin bad. MADvirc    No big deal, just tthattime of year *   Sector thinks MAD needs a nurse *   WarpHoss thinks since Swanee is alone he'll be along shortly... mandie    8:15 cutoff and then you start the mtg, plz :) WarpHoss    So Mandie... what about WarpTech2000 and the POSSI gang? WarpHoss    ^^^^^^ me just did start the meeting. Sector    Ok, we've got another 3 hours and 5 minutes then mandie... mandie    ok, from the WarpTech planning list..I'm not sure if it's posted yet or not mandie    Exhibitor fees will be $350 until 2-29-99 mandie    then $450 thereafter Rat-Salad    brb WarpHoss    Steep. mandie    each booth registered includes 3 lunches for one person mandie    additional lunches will be available for $25/ea mandie    I think so too...I wonder if it is worth our while WarpHoss    and a massueuse 2 of those 3 days? mandie    there should be :) Sector    Oh, WarpHoss want's to fund it out of his own pocket MADvirc    $25 for lunch? WarpHoss    !Not! MADvirc    or is that for 3 lunches? mandie    maybe the massage is during lunch? mandie    >Additional lunches will be available for our cost of $25 each. WarpHoss    hey now that could work! :) mandie    per W2K email list mandie    we need to do some financial analysis mandie    we have and will continue to support Warpstock.. mandie    now there is WarpTech mandie    I don't know if there will be another WarpExpo West or not mandie    but that would be 3 annual events mandie    I don't think our budget can handle that Sector    Hey, WarpExpo West didn't cut into the budget... MADvirc    Were we ever officially invited to WT? mandie    no no...I'm not saying it did Sector    Nothing currently planned that I know of for another one though mandie    BUT, we should be contributing to help SCOUG also mandie    that came completely out of the SCOUG budget mandie    on the other hand mandie    if they had the financial resources to pull it off...then we shouldn't feel that we need to contribute MADvirc    Well if we could just get more people to join we could do a lot more for the OS/2 community. Sector    That would be good *   WarpHoss thinks that our committment right now is to the members and our own projects. We should ask ourselves a few questions... before we decide. Sector    WarpStock helps with membership, WarpExpo West resulted in zero new members, don't know about WarpTech mandie    WarpHoss: agreed....if WarpDoctor is going to start costing us...then we need to get some figures WarpHoss    1. What will WPTK2000 do for our existing members. mandie    zippo mandie    but then again...what did WS99 do for our members? WarpHoss    2. Will WPTK2000 do to increase our membership? WarpHoss    what will oops. MADvirc    Did you mess your pants? mandie    I highly doubt we would see many new members from WT2000 WarpHoss    3. Will WPT2000 benefit or help us towards our goal of educating the OS/2 Commununity? MADvirc    Well it should help there although.....WT2000 is slated to be a technical mandie    conference...and we might get alot of play out of presenting WarpDoctor MADvirc    Agreed on that I agree, WT2000 will have a lot of POSSI members I would Sector    imagine, but how many would look to joining VOICE as wellù WEW was SCOUG, and we didn't pick up any new members there... MADvirc    To present though do we need a booth? mandie    we wouldn't be educating the os2 community....it would be WT2000...so it has nothing to do with our goal mandie    I wouldn't think so WarpHoss    WT2000 is OS/2 focused is it not? mandie    yes it is mandie    but WE are not putting it on... mandie    3. Will WPT2000 benefit or help us towards our goal of educating the mandie    OS/2 Commununity? WarpHoss    if we participate it's possible it could. //Iphrased that question wrong. mandie    it almost sounds like we're under the umbrella...and that's not the case mandie    do we have volunteers that are willing to man the booth for 3 days? WarpHoss    I'd volunteer but travel of that disatnace is out of the question on those dates. MADvirc    I won't be there. Anyone else planning to be there? mandie    I won't be there Sector    Not me MADvirc    Do we have any members local to Phoenix? mandie    yep, POSSI's president :) WarpHoss    Well So far I haven't seen anything to justify the expenditure. mandie    but, I don't think we could tie him up for 3 days :) Sector    Some SCOUG members are planning on attending, including Dave Watson who is also a VOICE member MADvirc    Well we could ask our members WarpHoss    and if WD progresses to the point we need to announce it then what's another 100 or so? MADvirc    I certainly wouldn't spend $350-450 without knowing someone will be there WarpHoss    I vote to NO to booth at WT2000. mandie    presentation shouldn't cost us mandie    nay here also MADvirc    Lynn gonna be there? Sector    Hmmm, not sure Sector    Guess we could ask him when he gets back from the theatre Rat-Salad    back Sector    wb Rat-Salad MADvirc    I'd say no to wt2000 at this point. Maybe next year if we have the funds. Sector    Hi Chrissy Chrissy    hey MADvirc    Has any1 heard from Wayne or the Peters? Sector    No on the booth, maybe a presentation though WarpHoss    What do you think about WT2000 mandie? mandie    I say nay mandie    I don't think that VOICE will benefit from it MADvirc    If Lynn is going he would handle the presentation I would think. Sector    Wayne was in here last night... WarpHoss    and not completely can the presentation idea if the need arises? mandie    unless...WarpDoctor needs some promoting and we have someone available that knows what they are talking about to do so WarpHoss    ok agenda item one handled. MADvirc    item 2? WarpHoss    Suggestions for Speakups. mandie    I haven't heard from any members as yet *   WarpHoss wanted to make sure no one disagreed with item one bein handled. mandie    can we go back to 1 mandie    just for a second WarpHoss    sure. WarpHoss    Robert left with his rules.... mandie    I think we should present the idea to the members WarpHoss    ahh an ammendment. mandie    we should also tell them...that it will be based on volunteers being available to man the booth MADvirc    Funny, I think someone else said that WarpHoss    ok. Not a bad idea. MADvirc    :-) mandie    Mad: ah, I must have missed it mandie    if they do vote to get a booth...and if we have the volunteers to man it WarpHoss    We are gonna base our decision to get a booth on availability of personnell to manage it? madodel    Well we could ask our members WarpHoss    hmmm.... mandie    yep, I missed it :) WarpHoss    I did also. WarpHoss    :( mandie    well, atleast it's good to know that we're still on the same wave length :) MADvirc    OK, WH want to draft a memo to the members? WarpHoss    I'll see what I can whip up. Sector    Creamù WarpHoss    Merengue. WarpHoss WarpHoss    Anyone have any other ideas for WT2000? *   WarpHoss going once.... *   WarpHoss ..... going twice ...... MADvirc    gone WarpHoss    kewl. WarpHoss    ok Suggestions for speakups. Sector    Sold to the gentleman in front with the VOICE t-shirt Back to item 2. How about Jim Read of FileStar/2 fame? I had MADvirc    asked him a while back, but he was busy. Said he'd consider doing one though. WarpHoss    Lynn requested the Netlabs guru as Sector brought up earlier. mandie    that would be good...they've just released an update MADvirc    He also handles Unimaint now that SoftTouch dropped all OS/2 products. mandie    UniMaint also has a recent CSD WarpHoss    I would suggest the guy from FreeOS. *   WarpHoss also thinks it would be acoup to get Daniela Engert for a special Saturday session. mandie    great idea! MADvirc    Any chance on the Odin guys? WarpHoss    that's the netalbs gut Adrian Geschwend. WarpHoss    isn't it? mandie    yes WarpHoss    I type too fast. WarpHoss    :) mandie    I believe he's busy with exams right now..... WarpHoss    but in month or soo.... WarpHoss    maybe not as busy. mandie    right...I would just hold off emailing him for about a month mandie    I'd like to get a schedule setup for the entire year MADvirc    Dani would be a great speakup. She has a hand in a lot of things going on mandie    or atleast 3 months in advance *   WarpHoss thought the liason was going to do that... contacting and arranging.... mandie    WarpHOss: I will and do :) WarpHoss    danke. mandie    unless, someone has something going on the side with someone :) WarpHoss    :) your good at it. madodel    KICK MADvirc :your dead mandie    well, that was very serious! madodel    Emtec FTP froze and eventually took everything else with it WarpHoss    hmm we should have taken him seriously when he said he didn't feel good. :) mandie    lol Sector    Since he's still here I would guess it was one of his clones that got sick and was killed off... madodel    or perhaps I'm the clone and killed the original? WarpHoss    so mandie how many do you have on your list? Sector    That could be too mandie    right now I have Jim Read, Adrian Geschwend and Daniela :) mandie    I think it's time to have Tim Sipples back and I'd like to invite Mike Persell WarpHoss    Do you have a particular person in mind ... ? mandie    Mike has taken a new position in IBM, but I'm not sure what it is Sector    Mike's in Austin at the moment for a week WarpHoss    hmm... pshychic mandie. mandie    hehe WarpHoss    Just to toss out an idea..... mandie    toss on Sector    The clone has come back for revengeð WarpHoss    as for something that would garner attention, WarpHoss    and get maximum bang for the time spent.... madodel    yes? *   Sector is holding his breath... mandie    stop hemming and hawing....get to the point :) what do you folks think about 2 special guests at once in a WarpHoss    discussion amongst themselves... moderated by one or two others... Sector    Could be interesting, who do you have in mindù WarpHoss    Say on a saturday... .. MADvirc    How about Tim Martin and Dan Casey? mandie    yes, who....we don't want to put two developers up against each other :) WarpHoss    ROFL mandie    LOL mandie    better yet...Tim and Esther! WarpHoss    Nooo I didn't mean two developers against each other... MADvirc    OK, Tim, Dan and Esther WarpHoss    Timur. mandie    do you plan on paying him! mandie    what would Timur discuss? WarpHoss    j/k. WarpHoss    no seriously... mandie    wonder if there's any news on the Netscape homefront WarpHoss    Say Persell and Kaply... WarpHoss    or maybe God forbid the presidents of scoug and possi, WarpHoss    or the guy from os2.org and scoug president. mandie    hey, SCOUG is taking an active part in WarpTech WarpHoss    any combo of those we have in line... MADvirc    mandie: did you ever ask WT if they would like to do a speakup? WarpHoss    I'd like to get Dan Porter. mandie    I would need to know the topic and I wouldn't want any two together that would cause problem WarpHoss    And the guy from Relish... mandie    MAD: sure did...right after we discussed it and Esther felt it was too early mandie    I can extend another invite...they do have more info to present now mandie    WarpHoss: why would you want Dan Porter? mandie    I can see alot of flaming due to him dropping the ball on JStreet Mailer mandie    he's basically stopped supporting OS/2 WarpHoss    Why not? I'd like to know the real reasons behind his failures as a vendor for OS/2. MADvirc    Speaking of JSM, We could ask the PolarBar crew to do a speakup mandie    well, I made a couple of requests for him to do a speakup and never got a respons WarpHoss    yes we could MADvirc. mandie    and that's when he still supported os/2 MADvirc    WH: Lack of customer support WarpHoss    I like the idea... of the dual speakup .. as long as we set the topic and arrange the right two people. WarpHoss    gsahca : please forgive me for not greeting you earlier. welcome to #voice. gsahca    Thank you and good evening WarpHoss    Redoaks. Long time no see. Redoaks    Hello Warphoss & all Redoaks    Did anyone elses GTIRC blow up? Redoaks    I'm back on EZirc mandie    Redoaks: do you have the latest ifx for GTIRC? mandie    ifx=fix :) Redoaks    Mandie ??? mandie    just a sec Sector    Blow up in what wayù Redoaks    Locks the desktop to a 3-finger salute Sector    On startupù *   WarpHoss lets the channel drift... Redoaks    Sector-yes Sector    Ctrl-ESC twice will fix that Sector    Or the latest patch for 3.x also fixes the problem MADvirc    WH: we about done with item 2.? Redoaks    Tried it-no go Sector    Started with Fixpack 10 or 11 MADvirc    5 mandie    Redoaks: go here and check out the CSD http://www.gt-online.com/html/gt_irc.html Redoaks    OK Thanx Mandie WarpHoss    I think we are about done MADvirc. Sector    It sure wasn't fixpack five, I didn't have the problem till either 10 or 11... MADvirc    Hmmm, maybe that's why I can't seem to use GTIRC 3 in W4 FP12 anymore. Works fine on WSeb though Sector    Get the latest patch, or hit Ctrl-Esc a couple of times after starting mandie    the freeze became a problem with fp11 mandie    a notice went out August 4, 1999 Sector    Yeah, thought it was 11, but I never put 10 on this system I use for IRC so I wasn't sure Redoaks    I went from FP8 to FP12 mandie    It was due to a problem loading OS/2 multimedia modules mandie    I'd suggest the CSD :) Sector    That doesn't work for 2.07 though... mandie    no, it's for 3.0 Sector    Uh huh... mandie    where are we with the agenda WarpHoss    we finished item one and item 2 is almost gone. WarpHoss    item 3 is anything we didn't cover in one and 2. mandie    that about covers it :) WarpHoss    lol. WarpHoss    for those who weren't here earlier : WarpHoss    !ask log VoiceBot    [log] http://abelmcc5.rbdc.com/cgi-bin/ghosthoss.cmd? (Sector) WarpHoss    hello IronHead you snuck in when I was distracted. :) mandie    that's a pretty broad statement :) WarpHoss    lol Ironhead    hi WarpHoss Thats how I get things done! WarpHoss    ok so item 3 is general interest. Anything anoyone wants to bring up or discuss? Redoaks    yeah-does anyone know how well Aurora replaces the Warp 4 on a desktop? Rat-Salad    does great here MADvirc    Do you need SMP? WarpHoss    the beta or WSeB? Redoaks    I'm not sure, I really want an upgraded Warp Sector    Aurora was the beta of WSeB Redoaks    Will it run Win OS/2 MADvirc    It certainly certainly isn't worth $1600 for a desktop mandie    Brianna is requesting a lullabye...brb Redoaks    Look what people pay for NT MADvirc    unless you really need SMP Redoaks    What is SMP? Sector    Symetrical Multi Processing MADvirc    Symetric Multi-Processing Sector    More then one processor in the same system... Redoaks    Thank you Redoaks    I don't need that, but who knows in the future Redoaks    Is there anything Warp4 does that WSeB cannot? Sector    What do you need upgraded in 4ù MADvirc    RIght now WSeb = W4+FP10 with the addition of SMP support,TCP/IP 4.2.1. Minus VTD and the bonus pak apps. Redoaks    IMHO 4 needs a kernal upgrade. Sooner or later something will come up Daniella cannot patch Redoaks    I don't like Linux and hate MS. MADvirc    Good night all Sector    You left out the server addons, not too usefull on the desktop though mandie    nytol :) Sector    Goodnight MADvirc MADvirc    I am using LAN Server, but not PSNS MADvirc    BTW, it seems WSeb(the Aurora GA) doesn't like Peer MADvirc    And changing anything in MMOS2 is a real PITA. there is no Selective Uninstall for MMOS2 as there is in W4 Sector    Hello DSOMber1 DSOMber1    Hello all. MADvirc    But WSeb does have DOS+win-OS/2 support