Speakup with Sundial Systems (Topic: Junk Spy) from 02/07/00
Longstaff i have no idea where i was last night :)
Sector Should have seen it when you logged in
Swanee Longstaff: Hmmm... what does that tell me Charles? :-)
Abraxas Hi, rollin nad randell
Abraxas and, even
Longstaff it's in the titlebar of this fabulous new gadget....only i'm
not used to looking below the top titlebar
* Abraxas can't type too well, tonight :-) *
Longstaff hiya dan
Abraxas Hi, Longstaff
Longstaff hiya os2-007
Rael 007!
os2-007 hi Longstaff and Rael ;)
Abraxas MODE +o randell
Abraxas MODE +o rollin
* WarpHoss is glad to see everyone. *
Swanee Big news today... IBM is going to refresh OS/2
Abraxas Welcome, everyone, to the VOICE Channel
Longstaff Swanee: - i told ya they would
Swanee Longstaff: Hey, "I knew it all along" :-)
Swanee hehe
Abraxas I'd like to welcome our guests for this eveing, Randell Flint
and Rollin White, from Sundial Systems
* Longstaff still doesn't multiple boot *
Longstaff and Swanee - i'm on the record from last year
Abraxas I've been informed that tonight's discussion will center
around the recently released Junk Spy utility.
DSOMber1 Hello all.
Sector Hi John
Abraxas randell, rollin ... it's all yours :-)
Sector Hello warpit
rollin Thank you!
Sector Hello there DSOMber1
warpit hi
rollin First, let me start with a quick description of Junk Spy.
John hello
rollin Junk Spy solves the problem of Spam.
rollin It works between your email program and mail server to detect
and flag junk email.
You then use your email program's filter capability to delete
rollin the mail, move it to a folder, forward it to your favorite
enemy, whatever.
rollin Junk Spy works with any POP3 mail client and has been tested
and verified with all of the popular OS/2 mail programs.
John I think I got at least 10 "Want to make real money?" Spam in
the last 2 days.
madodel0 billgates@microsoft.com
Rael Heh. ;-)
The key to Junk Spy over traditional email filter approachs is
rollin that Sundial has spent lots of time doing the research on all
of the junk mail, not just the junk mail you've received.
This research is ongoing and helps us update the Junk
rollin detection database. Infact the first update is due out next
week.
These updates and Sundial's effort help make Junk Spy the
rollin hands off solution to Junk Email. No longer do you have to
waste time deleting junk email or trying to improve your own
filters. Sundial and Junk spy do it for you.
John so it works like a "virus detector?" You're always updating
it?
rollin Exactly.
rollin The updates are automatic too.
John sounds good.
Rael Does it sit between the POP server and the mailer?
When we create the update it is automatically sent to you and
rollin Junk spy will intercept it and updates it's database without
your intervention.
rollin Rael, yes exactly.
madodel0 Can the user update the detection database themselves?
We have provided an update center on our web site so that if
rollin you've missed an update or have reinstalled, you can
re-request the updates.
rollin You'll see a history of what updates were created and when
they were sent as well as any other account activity.
randell madodel0, did you mean "changes" (as opposed to getting the
updates manually which is what Rollin answered)?
rollin Sorry, yes you can make changes to the database yourself.
madodel0 randell: Yes, personal changes, rather then official ones
rollin Also, there is a global exception list which is the most
common update to the database.
randell And, any changes you make to the database are *preserved* when
*our* automatic updates are applied!
The changes you make are preserved in the automatic update
rollin process as well. If JS detects you've made changes to a
detector, it will not overwrite those changes.
randell It's really rather a keen database/detection update scheme
we've come up with.
randell It's all totally automatic, yet still under your control if
you want it to be.
We also use a few other technologies other than our detection
rollin database. We use MAPS's Realtime Black hole list and Real time
spam stopper list to add additional filter accuaracy
Longstaff query method, or, uhh maybe filter method
randell Longstaff, I didn't quite understand your comment.
Longstaff i was just curious about the technique
randell It's rather involved (and we consider some of it a proprietary
secret)...
Rael Take us through a sample spam...what happens when Junk Spy
sees it? How does it know its a spam? Keywords?
randell but it's based on us knowing internally what "came from the
factory' vs what you've added or changed.
rollin Rael, As Junk Spy is downloading the message it examines it
based on the detection database.
rollin In simple terms, yes keywords, but it's a little more specific
than that.
Longstaff it must be pretty hot :)
rollin Then, if nothing is matched, it checks RBL and RSS.
rollin If either of those match Junk Spy adds several lines to the
header of the message.
They indicate that it's considered junk, and why. Then the
rollin message is either destroyed, or sent on to the email program
depending on user settings.
randell It's also important to know that our detectors can scan for
both "inclusions" and "exclustions"...
John What happens if the sender requests a receipt?
That function is not touched by Junk Spy. IF your email
rollin program supports receipts, then it should still generate the
receipt.
randell and that's a part of the key to help *reliably* distinguish
junk from non-junk.
rollin Junk Spy logs all of it's activity so you can review what it's
done.
We've also found that most people's TCP/IP configuration is a
rollin little screwy, so we've provided a TCP/IP wizard to help
configure TCP/IP so that Junk Spy can operate.
Abraxas Speaking of the TCP/IP Wizard
Sounds great! Gwen just got 2 copies of "nude celebreties CD"
John Spam - I got one. We weren't interested. I'll buy it. Thanks,
Sundial.
Abraxas Mine doesn't seem to work correctly (machine name is
localhost)
rollin What doesn't work properly about it?
Abraxas JS throws a pop-up error message that says it couldn't find
the machine localhost, but it works, anyway
rollin Hmm, strange. I'll send you an email so we can debug the
problem.
Abraxas OK
Junk Spy also does several things on-the-fly to try to correct
rollin common TCP/IP problems. For example, it will create the
loopback interface automatically if it does not exist.
John Bye - gotta go.
Abraxas It's currently monitoring 4 e-mail accounts .. and doing a
fine job of it ... but that TCP/IP error is "weird"
Sector Bye John
warpit rollin/randel does JS work plain old netscape 4.04????
rollin Yes, it works with 2.02, 4.04, and 4.61. It works best with
4.61 because it has filters.
warpit how do you normally rev it up???
rollin Normally, you just start Junk spy and let it run. It's mostly
driven by your email program sending it commands.
Abraxas, one of the questions we get asked alot is if Junk Spy
randell support multiple email accounts (which is does). Since you're
using it that way maybe you could comment?
It's amazing how the junk mail problem has grown. We have
rollin several test accounts we've created. For one we posted one
newsgroup message. For another we put it on one web page.
They've both received 100's of messages.
Abraxas randell I had a bit of difficulty figuring that one out ..
until I reaf the entire online help file :-)
rollin What would have made it more obvious?
warpit, once Junk Spy is started, your email program sees it
randell as if it is your mail server; your mail server sees it as if
it is your email program; it just sits in between and does
it's job
Abraxas Basically, you set the e-mail program to look for e-mail on
Abraxas Then you change your username to reflect the path to your
mailserver
Sector Use JunkSpy as your POP3 server, configure JunkSpy as you
would your email program (say mail.anywhere.net)
warpit randell so it does not matter which program is started
first????
Abraxas Where my username would normally be dcasey, i changed that to
dcasey3@bchgrv1.in.home.com
Abraxas dcasey3, that is
rollin warpit, Junk Spy has to be running before you can check for
mail, but otherwise, no.
Setup each account, using the machine name for the server, and
Abraxas add the real server to your userid, and JS works on all of
them
warpit randell does it work with injoy and dsl/cable modems????
Abraxas warpit I'm using it with Injopy Firewall and a Cable Modem
It does. It really doesn't know the difference other than a
rollin cable modem environment might have a little more complex
existing TCP/
* Abraxas still can't type :-) *
Abraxas, and the key thing is that once you've done that...
randell that's all there is to it correct? Junk Spy will mange the
multiple connections from your email program without you
having to do anything more.
rollin IP setup.
Abraxas randell yep ... it's all "seamless" after that
I never know wheteher or not I have a particular account setup
Abraxas with JS .. until I look at the messages moved to my TRASH
folder, and see the additional lines in the header
randell So, if you want, it can be "set it and forget it"...
Our primary goal is no false junk messages. We're doing pretty
rollin good, but through user feedback that's part of what we change
in a given update.
Abraxas I've filtered 1331 messages with the GA version ... was over
5000 withthe betas
we encourage users to send junk messages that slipped through
rollin to junk@sundialsystems.com and false positives to
nojunk@sundialsystems.com.
rollin Abraxas wow! That's a high ratio!
And, actually, the biggest job we had in developing the
randell product was determineing the best rules for what is *not*
junk!
Rael If there is something that JunkSpy trashes that we want, is
there a way to stop it from trashing?
I did have one problem when I was using the Injoy Dialer
Abraxas ......DOD uses an IP address that, in theory, should never be
seen, and never be routed
randell Rael, absolutely!
rollin We have 1000's of junk messages and 100,000 + non junk
messages that are used in testing.
rollin Rael, yes just add a keyword or name to the global exception
list. But we want to see it too!
Occasionally, something would slip through the cracks, and
Abraxas this IP address (I think it was 1.2.1.2) would get into the
header of an e-mail message.
Abraxas RBL Server would catch it, and tag it as junk
Abraxas rollin ... that's the total number of messages .... not the
Junk
Several times in testing people would say, it marked something
it shouldn't but I couldn't expect it to know the difference.
rollin It turns out one filter was causing problems for most of those
people. When I got them to give us details, it was easy to
fix.
randell Rael, one other key thing that may not be clear...
randell While you *can* have Junk Spy actually trash messages as it
finds them...
Abraxas Out of the 1331, 77 have been detected as Junk
rollin Abraxas, that's more reasonable :)
randell The recommened method is to have it "tag" the message an
junk...
randell And then you use a very simple filter in your email program to
"route" the tagged messages into a folder.
Rael Ah. :-) That makes it simpler.
warpit how big is this *database* and programs in meg????
randell Then, you can review the tagged messages at your leisure to
make sure there wasn't something you really wanted.
rollin The whole thing is less than 5 megs, closer to three.
randell That's exactly what I do with PMMail ... as PMMail has
Abraxas a tendency to pass an empty message anyway, If I choose to
have JS delete the message
rollin Yes, PMM isn't happy with the delete option of Junk Spy but it
works well with the tag option.
randell And much of that is documentation. If you download it, the
image is under 1 meg as I recall.
rollin Yes, officialy it takes 1.4 m to install, and about half is
docs.
warpit is there any screen response that shows that its working????
rollin Yes, there is a small window and status icon to show what
stage of processing it is in.
Abraxas VERY small
Abraxas :-)
warpit neat!!!!!
randell And most of the database updates we automatically send you are
"deltas" so they aren't all that large either.
rollin It's meant to not be intrusive.
rollin Randell, no but the database will grow over time. Even if it
doubles, that's only about 600k.
rollin IT doesn't significantly add to the message download time
either.
mandie g'evening :)
Sector Hi mandie
rollin Right on time!
warpit what if i use more than one isp????? do i need different
tcp/ip configs?????
Abraxas Hello, Judy
Sector How's the birthday partyù
mandie rollin!! :)
mandie hi dan
Sector MODE +o mandie
mandie Sector: great...want some cake and ice cream?
Sector Sure, just DCC it
Warpit, no Junk Spy doesn't really care down to that level. As
rollin long as your email program can find Junk Spy and Junk Spy can
find your server it's happy.
mandie :)
I use it on my laptop which I use at home on my
rollin cablemodem/network at the office, and on the road via dialup
without changing it.
Swanee Hi PeterSkye
rollin Look what the cat dragged in.
mandie hi Peter
randell Peter, I thought I've heard you say you don't even *get* any
junk mail... so what brings you here?
PeterSkye Hi everybody
PeterSkye I feel I'
PeterSkye oops =- I feel I'm missing out...
rollin I'll forward all of my junk mail to you.
Projects There's an option on the junk spy page... "Get Free Junk Mail"
Rael Just in case you don't get enough already. ;-)
rollin How many 1000 messages would you like to start with?
Projects hehehe
rollin Rael, we do that so you can test out Junk Spy right away.
mandie randell: hi!
PeterSkye I got exactly two pieces of spam today. How did you ever get
so much?
randell mandie: hi!
rollin Someone I know put my name on tons of web pages :)
Projects and there's no chagre... big of you :-))
rollin Projects, we try :)
randell Peter! Two pieces of spam! We've got a solution for that!
Projects hehehe
Mok A solution indeed. My solution: shoot the spammers.
PeterSkye But I like to read it! Something about a site with a lot of
pictures.
That's a natural reaction. Most people who try to "get back"
rollin and the spammers end up generating more junk email and wasting
time. That's why we emphisize the hands-off approache of Junk
Spy.
randell Seriously, Junk Spy isn't for everyone... if you only get an
occasional piece of spam and doen't mind seeing it
randell (or like Peter, *want* to see it)
randell then, you really don't need Junk Spy... but it would still
benefit you if you had it.
randell On the other hand, it you gets lots of spam... or get only a
little but don't want to see *any* of it...
Rael I usually wind up changing my mail address once a year because
of that...
randell then Junk Spy is the best solution available!
randell Rael, no need to do that any more!
PeterSkye Seriously, I think a junk mail solution is well worth the
small investment you charge.
PeterSkye And I'm hoping you eventually can filter all the junk out of
the newsgroups I visit.
rollin Thank you. The cost is $49 and includes the first year of
database updates.
randell (No comment on possible future products.)
Rael That would be nice...is it possible to apply this to usenet?
rollin Peter, yes newsgroups is one of the popular requests we get.
It's on the list :)
warpit you sell it thru bmt /ib???
rollin Yes, as well as direct. Whichever you prefer!
PeterSkye When you first came out with the product, I did a quick cost
effectiveness study.
randell warpit, yep, available thru both BMT and Indelible Blue now!
PeterSkye If you have employees or your time is _worth_ something, it
pays for itself pretty quick.
mandie !ask sundial
VoiceBot [sundial] Sundial Systems http://www.sundialsystems.com/
(mandie)
rollin I'm personally still amazed at how much junk mail is in my
junk folder.
rollin We started writing this application because we were sick of
junk mail. Now I study junk mail for a living :)
mandie sounds like a true "junk" collector :)
PeterSkye Plus, there are a couple of kids in this household, and they
don't need to see these messages.
PeterSkye What I've realized is that you don't just waste the time you
spend quickly scanning ...
randell We've been getting lots of positive feedback since Junk Spy
started shipping on Jan 10th.
PeterSkye the messages and deleting them. You also end up spending time
during the day ...
PeterSkye thinking about "should I have asked that ISP for a quote?
should I have clicked to that
randell And much of it relates to just those kind of reasons that you
mention, Peter.
PeterSkye web site with the coupons?"
warpit does it understand foriegn language like deutsch????
PeterSkye "Das parties mit der frauleins?"
rollin Not yet. That's one of our current weaknesses, but we're
working on it.
rollin Part of the problem is getting that foreign junk mail!
randell We don't have a large database of "foreign" junk yet...
certainly not enough to create good detectors for it.
PeterSkye Man, that's a _great_ name!
Sector Hi Rat-Salad
Rat-Salad hey
But the RBL/RSS features of Junk Spy are independent of
randell language... so it still can do a pretty good job in foreign
settings.
Chrissy :)
rollin You read more about Junk Spy on our website at
http://www.sundialsystems.com/junkspy
rollin Also, the first review is in:
http://users.pandora.be/luc.vanbogaert/reviews/junkspy.htm
And many of our foreign customers say that get lots of
randell *English* language junk mail... and Junk Spy filters that out
for them.
warpit what do your chineese user say about it???
randell And we understand that a few more reviews are coming out
soon... there's been *lots* of interest in the product.
mandie ah-so
warpit ah-so or ah-so/so????
rollin Nothing that I can understand :) So far, no one in any of the
Eastern countries has commented.
PeterSkye I read Luc's review. He did a pretty thorough job, I thought.
PeterSkye I noticed he liked it very much.
rollin Just got some junk mail :)
PeterSkye And there have been mentions on some of the mail lists, like
POSSI etc.
PeterSkye People seem to think it's worthwhile, even the ones that
weren't quite sure.
warpit how fast does this program work???
It only adds a very little overhead to the time to download
rollin your mail. Most of it's is CPU bound since we cache the
database. Also, RBL/RSS lookups can sometimes be
bottle-necked, but that's not ususally an issue.
Peter, and for people that aren't entirely sure, they can
randell download it and try it in "demo" mode to see how well it
*does* work.
Projects what's the restriction on the demo?
rollin It will only flag two messages within a rolling 24 hour
period.
To followup on what Rollin said, generally you won't notice
randell much difference in retriveing your mail before and after you
install Junk Spy.
rollin It will still detect them, but not mark them.
randell And since the demo isn't "registered", you don't get any of
the automatic updates.
PeterSkye How exactly do I use the "markup" that Junk Spy inserts? ...
PeterSkye I'm still using Netscape 2.02 for email, with a pretty big
SORT.DAT filter file.
madodel0 Well Peter if you had showed up on time you would have learned
that
madodel0 :-)
Basically, you create a filter to look for the text
rollin X-Junkmail: Yes in the header. Then set the action to whatever
you want, usually move it to a folder. That's it!
Abraxas I don't notice ANY difference between using and not using JS
PeterSkye Mark: :))
randell Each email program works a bit differently in setting up the
simple filter, but we'
randell but we've explained them all in the documentation that comes
with the product...
PeterSkye Can I filter different _kinds_ of spam to different folders?
PeterSkye Can I filter the "get rich quick" schemes to one folder, etc.?
rollin If you want, although we don't go into that level of detail.
madodel0 Peter: I thought you were already rich?
Also in the header we indicate what clue and detector caused
rollin the message to be considered spam. You could use the detector
to direct adult mail to your special mail box and all the rest
to the trash.
PeterSkye Hey, neat!! Now yer talkin'!! Gee, all those "party" sites in
one place ...
randell One other thing I should mention is that while we did label
the product as "1.0"...
randell It's a *Sundial* 1.0...
mandie which means?
randell And that means means it's stable, debugged, and actually works
as advertised!
We are actively looking for user feedback too. If you have
rollin ideas (like newsgroups) on how to make Junk Spy better, we
want to hear it!
rollin I'm actually amazed at the low level of bug reports. I
honestly did not expect it to be this low.
It's more like a 2.1 kind of product... we actually threw away
randell the 1.0 design entirely... work up the 2.0 design... rather an
extensive beta/prerelease on it and ended up with what we
called "1.0"
PeterSkye I've always liked the way your products work great with the
very first release.
PeterSkye You must work your programmers to death. :)
rollin Would you like a job?
randell No, I just send them lots of spam about quality and deadines,
etc.
PeterSkye So those two spam messages I got today: One was from Funk &
Wagnalls, and ...
PeterSkye one was titled "Opportunity Knocks". (I just looked.)
PeterSkye They'd automatically go "bye-bye" with Junk Spy, yes?
rollin Yes.
Sector JunkSpy can destroy them so your email program never sees em
PeterSkye Neat! They deserve such a fate. :)
Now the one thing we don't do is try to deal with
rollin "advertising" from list you may have signed yourself up for,
or as a result of providing your email address to a vendor.
randell Peter, you could install the Junk Spy demo... then forward
them to yourself... and see what happens.
PeterSkye You know, I should probably do that. Junk Spy is really
intriguing, and I know it'll save ...
PeterSkye me some time. (Keep me away from those party sites, for sure.
MAJOR time-wasters!)
rollin Another junk message received and flagged :)
rollin Are there issues we skipped over?
PeterSkye I really ought to just order this thing and put it to work.
rollin You can order it from us directly or BMT or Indelible Blue.
Your choice.
PeterSkye Every time Barnes & Noble sends me a spam, I end up cruising
their site for 20 minutes.
Rael Any volume discounts?
rollin Email orders@sundialsystems.com and we can probably work
something out.
PeterSkye Or I get some message like "free DSL service!" and I just
_have_ to look. ...
randell While the product is available on diskette (it fits on one),
it's primarily designed to be electronically downloaded.
PeterSkye Bam! Another 10 minutes wasted.
PeterSkye Actually, if I waste an hour a week on just a half-dozen
messages, either looking ...
PeterSkye at the sites or thinking about them after deleting the
messages, Junk Spy would ...
What I like most about using JS is the fact that I don't have
Abraxas to waste anymore time creating my own filters to deal with the
Spam
PeterSkye still pay for itself in just a few days. I think I'm sold. :)
rollin Normally we do a trivia question and give away a copy of a
Sundial product. Not this time though.
PeterSkye Abraxas: Hey, that's neat. Right now I'm doing it backwards --
everything ...
PeterSkye valuable goes into folders, and the spam stays in my Inbox.
rollin Instead, we'd like to extend a special offer. Only to those of
you that have taken the time to join us for the chat.
For you guys only, we'll knock $9 off the price if you order
rollin it directly from Sundial. That's $40 for the product delivered
electronically and a year of database updates!
PeterSkye Me! Me! I'll take it!
Sector Hey, what about Chrissy and mandieù
madodel0 What do we have to do?
Projects prove that you were here though...
rollin Gals too.
Projects :)
rollin We've captured the list of who's on. On your order form,
please include your IRC nick to make life easier on Carla.
Chrissy glad we werent forgotten ... thanks Sector :)
rollin She doesn't know I've done this :)
Sector And you want US to make life easierù
* Projects wonders what VoiceBot will do with his copy... *
rollin Order form is at
http://www.sundialsystems.com/order/junkspyorder.html
randell And, to make our life a bit easier, if you want to take
advantage of the offer, please do so by Wednesday.
PeterSkye I'm looking at the form. I cut & paste it into an email ?
rollin Email, or if you don't want to email your credit card, FAX or
phone us.
os2hq Howdy, neighbors!
Sector Hello os2hq
PeterSkye And _who_ might _you_ be? :)))
os2warp hi os2hq ;)
(Disclaimer: offer valid only for people that we on "live" for
randell part of the chat -- readers of the transcript are not eligible
-- void where prohibited -- sales tax added for orders to
California addresses)
rollin your mileage may vary.
os2hq Offer, what offer???
PeterSkye Junk Spy, man! It's _hot_!
Projects [18:22:37] *** Log disabled
[18:22:38] (Disclaimer: offer valid only for people that we on
Projects "live" for part of the chat -- readers of the transcript are
not eligible -- void where prohibited -- sales tax added for
orders to California addresses)
os2hq Well, I don't get enuf junk mail, since I don't have credit
cards!
os2hq However, the volume of junk *is* going up a bit....
Sector Hi persell
os2hq Hey, Mike.
Chrissy hey persell
PeterSkye It pays for itself quick, my friend. That's why I'm about to
order it.
DSOMber1 Sounds interesting.
persell Hi all
PeterSkye Howdy!
madodel0 Hey Mike any comment on the OS/2 Warp Refresh story by Esther?
madodel0 Oh BTW, Hello Mike
os2hq When EF Hutton speaks.....
persell I could...then I'd have to shoot myself
os2hq lol
madodel0 hehehehe
* Sector offers persell a gun *
os2hq Whisper it, Mike, it's just us two....
os2hq hehheh.
madodel0 I understand IBM Marketing wants to give it the same product
code as OS/2 PPC
persell Marketing doesn't even know about it yet
persell Chrissy...smack Sector
PeterSkye Okay, I'm filling out the Junk Spy order form. Do I email it
to Carla?
Chrissy who me???
Sector Heyð
madodel0 Can we keep it a secret from them...Please?
rollin orders@sundialsystems.com
PeterSkye OK, thanks. :)
randell Well, it's getting toward that time... any more Junk Spy
questions/comments for now?
PeterSkye And then I download from your site, and you send me an
authorization code, yes?
persell Don't go away mad!
rollin Peter, yes, exactly.
PeterSkye OK, it'll be there in about five minutes. :))
Sector Hi StevenL
PeterSkye Steven: Hiya
StevenL Hello, big group tonite.
PeterSkye You just missed the deal of the year. Yer late.
randell (Orders will not actually be processed tonight.)
StevenL Oh well.
DSOMber1 Hello StevenL.
PeterSkye That's okay. Gives me time for one last party site. :)))
StevenL Hi there.
os2hq If this is a "big" group, wait til we have the Speakup on the
Warp Client Refresh!!!!
StevenL :)
Rael No kidding. :-)
os2hq Hemmm...
os2hq Might need to boost the bandwidth a bit or two...
randell Peter, since you only get two junk messages a day... the demo
will hold you for a day!
os2hq Randell: I missed the details of the offer... please repeat??
PeterSkye Heck, I'm about to submit my name to all those "we'll remove
you" addresses !
StevenL A refresh will be good to have as long as the pricing is not
in line with the SS4OS2 1.5 pricing. :)
randell os2hq, sure...
os2hq Having just gotten my SW Choice, I'm starting to drooooollll
madodel0 BTW this Wednesday at 8PM EST (01:00GMT) we will have a
special Warpstock Speakup
The offer was a $9 discount on Junk Spy *only* for folks live
randell on the chat tonight... if you order directly from us by
Wednesday.
os2hq BTW, anybody want to help me write a new book on OS/2 Warp,
with the new client info???
os2hq Thanks, randell.
DSOMber1 I get several spam messages a day....but so far it does not
overwhelm me as yet. JS looks sounds good though.
WarpHoss sure. os2hq. count me in.
PeterSkye Yes, thanks R&R - very much!
StevenL Did I miss anything wrt Relish or was the speakup all about
JunkSpy?
PeterSkye DSOM: It's a _cumulative_ thing. A few minutes today, a few
tomorrow. All of a sudden ...
randell StevenL, only Junk Spy.
PeterSkye it's three hours every month. That adds up.
StevenL :(
randell StevenL, stay tuned... you know we're back here every two
months!
persell Must be that calendar thing you use randell
Randell and Rollin I would like to thank you not only for your
WarpHoss visit here tonight. I will also thank you folks at Sundail for
the work you do supporting the OS/2 Community.
randell Now, Mike, why would you say that ;)
WarpHoss Sundial even.
IT's our pleasure. We appreciate this community which is part
rollin of the reason we extended the discount to the people here
tonight.
randell Thanks as always for having us...
WarpHoss The door to this channel is always open.
randell And we'll be back in April!
rollin Email junkspt@sundialsystems.com if you've got any questions.
Otherwise, we'll be back in two months.
Abraxas randell .. you'll let me know, in advance, what the topic will
be for the April Speakup, won't you? :-)
randell that was "junkspy@sundialsystems.com"
persell I'll volunteer to handle the refresh chat Mark
rollin Thanks randell :)
Abraxas persell when do you want to schedule it?
randell We don't have the April topic yet... we'll try to get it out a
bit earlier than we did this one.
DSOMber1 Do you guys offer JS on other platforms as well?
persell Sneaky Abraxas
Abraxas randell .. OK, Thanks
Swanee persell: You're on record for this now you know... no backing
out! :-)
rollin Not yet. But keep asking that question.
madodel0 persell: Sign here: ..............................
Abraxas Can't blame me for trying :-)
Swanee persell: and here: __________________
randell Yes, keep asking that question...
* mandie has Persell's # :) *
Swanee persell: Insurance sig here: _____________________
randell Good night, all.
WarpHoss Initailas here .....
StevenL Nite.
mandie g'night randell and thx :)
Swanee mandie: So, you and Mike have been talking behind our back?
:-)
rollin Thanks again folks! See you all soon!
mandie Swanee: some things are sacred! :)
persell See ya Sundialers
mandie nite rollin
Sector Goodnight randell
DSOMber1 Good night...R&R.
Swanee Endorse here also: _____
PeterSkye OK guys, I just emailed my Junk Spy order.
persell I joined the Marine Corps once...I know about those signatures
Swanee persell: lol
mandie persell: we'll let you keep your hair :)
Swanee Mikes got plenty of hair to loose. :-)
Sector For now...
Swanee I guess that's it... don't everyone talk at once. :-)
PeterSkye Bye.
WarpHoss latrez..
Swanee So IBM finally decoded to refresh the Warp CD huh?
Swanee decoded=decided
* Swanee can't type AGAIN! That's 2 nights in a row *
os2hq Swanee: It's hilarious, I just wrote about that in my Feb.
Warped Perspective a week ago!!!
Abraxas And like Mark said, don't forget the Special Edition "Speakup
with Warpstock" this wednesday at 8:00PM
os2hq I feel as though somebody at IBM is listening.... ;)
Swanee I'm sure happy they are doing it.
* Sector thinks Swanee needs to stay away from the bar if we
wants to be able to type... *
Sector Hello RumpleS
mandie os2hq: I'm sure they had this in the works prior to your
article :)
DSOMber1 Hello RumpleS.
Swanee Sector: It's not the bar... my fingers are blurry!
RumpleS I hate this client!
RumpleS It's the java client - being run from a windows machines!
Swanee RumpleS: Are you using the web based version?
WarpHoss that's icky.
WarpHoss windows..
RumpleS Tell me about it!
Sector It's not by his choice
os2hq mandie: I know, the lead time for any IBM announce must be
MONTHS. But it's so funny :)
RumpleS It's what I have to use here when at work.
Swanee Any idea of price range for the refresh Mike? (Will there be
an update package available to previous licensees?)
os2hq Well, time to go, people. Have a good night.
Chrissy bye
persell Gnight Tom
WarpHoss tou also. os2hq
Swanee nite os2hq
Swanee Who's going to WarpTech (and can they take me with)?
Sector Swanee, hop a freight
persell I don't know yet
Chrissy where is it?
Sector WarpTech is Phoenix, AZ
Swanee Sector: I'm already on one. Where did you think I lived?
mandie stayed tuned...when Mike has info...he's going to be our guest
for a speakup :)
Chrissy oh
* Swanee can hear Mike pounding down the halls of IBM tomorrow
looking for the "secret information" *
mandie hehe
persell Guest...victim...target
Swanee They all fit
WarpHoss lol
Swanee :-)
Abraxas persell we prefer to call them "Volunteers" :-)
persell Who says I don't have it already...I work out of Austin now
Abraxas Yeah, That's it :-)
Swanee That's what we want to hear. :-)
hmmm... train must have switched tracks. My monitor just
Swanee rolled into the corner of the car and I can;t sww whst i'n
tyoinf
DSOMber1 Hello dallas.
Sector Hi again dallas
RumpleS When will the log of this session be available for viewing?
Sector !ask log
VoiceBot [log] http://abelmcc5.rbdc.com/cgi-bin/ghosthoss.cmd? (Sector)
Sector Right now if you'de like
RumpleS thanks Sector - I lost everything when the client went crazy.
Sector No problem
RumpleS Didn't have a chance to catch up during my in-between work
bits.
persell Maybe you should burn the last half of the log
Sector Unconditional deleteù
* Sector wouldn't know about that... *
persell Starting just before persell volunteered
RumpleS volunteered for what?
Sector Hi DaveW
persell I like RumpleS point of view
RumpleS which point of view would that be?
RumpleS I'm always pointed in different directions.
persell What I volunteered about
Sector Hello Mr-Data
RumpleS I see persell, just spotted the bit about the OS/2 refresh.
Mr-Data hi sector
Sector Guess that didn't get burned...
persell Caught
persell Its not good to build mail filters when IRCing and talking to
people in the same room
RumpleS Actually, where is that article by Esther?
Abraxas http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2434120,00.html
DSOMber1 That looks promising.
Sector Hi Egon
Egon re
DSOMber1 Hello Egon.
Sector Rat-Salad is back (but from whereù)
RumpleS Just wondering - is this client stuffed once again - or it it
just a quiet moment?