| <RumpleS> | Sector, after all of that I found that I still had the trap e problem! |
| <Abraxas> | VOICE is happy to host this Speakup session with Sundial Systems |
| <Sector> | Hi Blackbird |
| <Sector> | Maybe it's hardware related |
| <Blackbird> | Hi Sector |
| <Abraxas> | Normally, we talk about Sundial ... but tonight, we're going to talk about Warptech ... the OS/2 show held in Phoenix, AZ last weekend |
| <RumpleS> | I won't believe the cause of it Sector, I'll tell you later! |
| <randell> | And Sundial's stuff at WarpTech as well! |
| <Abraxas> | Sundial was present as a Vendor, attendee, presenter .. and hosted "Warped Jeopardy" |
| <Abraxas> | randell Of course :-) |
| <Blackbird> | So to start it all off....we have... |
| <Abraxas> | Seeing that the 5 minute grace period has elapsed ..... |
| <Abraxas> | randell and rollin are the SUndail representatives, so I'll turn the session over to them |
| <randell> | Thanks! |
| <randell> | Let me start off by asking who all we have on the chat who were at WarpTech? |
| <n3jja> | here |
| <Blackbird> | General impressions might be a beginning |
| <rollin> | Me |
| <Sector> | Hi dervish |
| <dervish> | Hi everyone! |
| <warpit> | great phoenix impression here |
| <randell> | Ok... |
| <randell> | Well, it was quite a show... |
| <randell> | POSSI knows how to put on an event... |
| <SteveS> | Warped Jeopard! green team contestant here. |
| <randell> | And this one, like their OS/2 Marketplace Event several years ago, was quite well done. |
| <randell> | It was at the Wigwaw resort *way* west of town -- a bit out of the way -- but a very nice place to stay. |
| <randell> | I don't have the attendance figures... |
| <rollin> | It seemed well attended. |
| <randell> | so I may need to be corrected on them, but I think it was about 170 or so folks. |
| <n3jja> | A bit higher than that. I'd say 180+. |
| <randell> | Three *long* days of sessions (with 3 at any given time) plus exhibits and generally get togethers... |
| <Sector> | Hi Lynn |
| <Sector> | Hello persell |
| <lmaxson> | Hello, Andrew. |
| <Ironhead> | Hi Lynn |
| <persell> | Hi all |
| <randell> | Stephen King of IBM gave the "keynote" on Saturday when he talked about the future of OS/2 |
| <lmaxson> | Hi, Ironhead. All. |
| <randell> | We, of course, did the third (and probably final) showing of Warped Jeopardy late Saturday afternoon... |
| <mandie> | hiya persell :) |
| <randell> | And SCOUG sponsored a trip to the Rawhide Western Rodeo Saturday evening... |
| <persell> | Hi Mandie |
| <randell> | I personally didn't get a chance to get to any of the sessions other than my own... |
| <randell> | but I hear that they were almost all quite interesting... and that the Project Odin one was packed. |
| <randell> | (We open it up for discussion about those later.) |
| <randell> | Serenity Systems had their big (but keep-it-under-your-hat) "pre announcement" of eComStation... |
| <randell> | And we released Mesa 2 Version 2.3 (more on that later as well)... |
| <randell> | Rollin, can you add any other major highlights I missed? |
| <Blackbird> | So was there indeed a KEYNOTE in the keynote??? |
| <rollin> | I think you hit all of the major events. Most of the presentations seemed very well attended. |
| <randell> | Did anyone else hear any "annoucements" made there (that I might have missed)? |
| <randell> | Things conspired against me to get to Stephen King's session... |
| <randell> | but I understand that he did comment quite alot about the future of OS/2... |
| <randell> | the folks I talked to all seemed to think that there heard what they wanted to hear... |
| <n3jja> | Well, not everything... |
| <Abraxas> | randell that's a wide area :-) |
| <randell> | and that's kind of strange since some folks thought that it was negative... some neutral... but most people seems positive about it... |
| <rollin> | Everything they expected to hear? :) |
| <randell> | I believe he said that OS/2 (client and server) were both doing better (sales-wise) than plan... |
| * | Abraxas was looking for a commitment on continued support via SWC ... beyond the "Convenience Pak" release of this year |
| <randell> | That they were commited to serving it thru at least 2006... |
| <Abraxas> | Client *AND* Server ? |
| <Abraxas> | That would be great news |
| <randell> | and that several major customers were negociating for support into 2008... |
| <Abraxas> | I've always believed that IBM was totally driven by the "bottom line" ... |
| <randell> | Abraxas, I believe so... but don't quote me on that... perhaps somebody who actually saw his slides could verify that. |
| <Abraxas> | They have been known to change their minds regarding some things |
| <persell> | Fat Client will be year by year based on availability of SWC releases of Convenience Packs |
| <madodel> | But how does that effect the SOHO/home user? Will we have access to any updates beyond the 1st convenience pack? |
| <randell> | madodel, that's a good question... but there were some interesting things in that direction... |
| <randell> | Let me explain... |
| <n3jja> | What disappointed me was no mention of marketing. Not even large customer marketing. |
| <Abraxas> | persell Year by Year ... does that mean that the continued support of the FAT Client will be considered on a yearly basis? |
| <randell> | I won't try to "define" Serenity's eComStation here... |
| <Abraxas> | Based on sales of SWC? |
| <persell> | Support will be on a Convenience Pack basis. If you bought SWC and got a Convenience PAck you get another year of support |
| <randell> | But, from what I understand, it is based on an OEM license of a collection of code from Warp 4, Warp Server for eBusiness, and the Convience Pack. |
| <madodel> | Does that support include defect reporting? |
| <madodel> | Or just access to existing fixes? |
| <randell> | Apparently, Serenity will be able to resell this as a "client" as well as a "client upgrade" for user's of Warp 4. |
| <Abraxas> | persell but that will not necessarily be extended beyond the "yearly" offerings ... meaning that if I buy into SWC .. .I'm guaranteed 1 year of support ... but that the offer may or may not be available next year ?? |
| <randell> | So, that way I read it, eComStation will be (among other things) a *second* way for people to get the benefits of the Convience Pack (and possibly future upgrades as well)... |
| <randell> | And I believe Serenity is working on a way to make this available to the home/SOHO user. |
| <persell> | SWC is the vehicle to get a convenience pack. Support of the convenience packed client goes for a year after the release of the convenience pack |
| <randell> | It's too bad neither Kim Cheung or Bob St John (of Serenity) aren't here to comment on it... they talked *alot* about it at WarpTech... it was truely the "buzz" of the show... |
| <Abraxas> | persell And .. if there is another Convenience Pak released ... support continues for another year ... but if not .. support ends ? |
| <persell> | Correct |
| <n3jja> | I hope so. If I have to suffer Windoze at home and work, I think I'll shoot myself. ;-) |
| <Abraxas> | persell OK ... Thanks |
| <Abraxas> | That's what I needed to know |
| * | Chrissy has set away! (bbib) [Log:ON] .gz. |
| <rollin> | The Odin project was quite the buzz too. |
| <rollin> | I didn't make the presentation, but apparently they've made great strides. |
| <Abraxas> | rollin .. so I heard ... they had MS Word running ?? |
| <dervish> | What's this about running Word? |
| <dervish> | Not that I'd want to! |
| <rollin> | I didn't see it, but I sure heard the crowds' reaction! |
| <n3jja> | Yep, nowyou can run all the macro viruses you want. :-) |
| <randell> | That's what I heard as well... |
| <rollin> | I was doing a presentation next door and several times we stopped to hear the cheers. |
| <dervish> | Which version of Word? |
| <rollin> | If Odin can really make it, it's going to be easier to use OS/2 in a client environment of today's business. |
| <Abraxas> | rollin .. I agree ... but it's a shame :-) |
| <John> | Odin plus Desktop On Call are killer products. |
| <Projects> | shame? |
| <Abraxas> | a shame that so many business users are so tied to MS |
| <madodel> | The only version that matters is the latest as previous versions are rendered worthless with each new release. |
| <randell> | dervish, I don't know for sure, but I think it was Word97 |
| <Projects> | ah, that shame |
| <Mok> | My only gripe with Odin is that it's pretty much killed any hope of getting Opera ported over to OS/2. Why write a native app when you can run someone else's? |
| <dervish> | Like buying a fine wine to use as dishwasher. |
| <Projects> | Mok: no opera/2?? :-( |
| <randell> | Mok, because native apps are better (but I'm biased)! |
| <madodel> | Mok: Huh? My understanding is that Odin is also used to port win32 apps to native OS/2 |
| <n3jja> | You didn't really think you were going to see opera/2, did you? |
| <Abraxas> | Mok ... Well, I would NEVER run a win app, regardless of how I'd run it, when I could run a native OS/2 app |
| <Luc> | Mok: the Netlabs guys are also working on a Opera port |
| <Mok> | My understanding is that Odin is used to *run* apps. Not port them. |
| <madodel> | Mok: You need to re-read the Odin site |
| <Mok> | Apparently so. |
| <rollin> | VOICE had quite the presence at Warped Jeopardy |
| <Abraxas> | YES!!!! |
| <Projects> | heh... that'd be wayne |
| <Abraxas> | :-) |
| <randell> | Yes! |
| <Blackbird> | Just a point to throw in here....OS/2 development starts ABOUT 1980...is released (warp4) 1994 about....so 15 year span to change from PC's running DOS to something else....I don't think that anyone here thinks that OS/2 is THE LAST operating system. |
| <rollin> | At one point Wayne was in negative territory. It wasn't looking good. |
| <n3jja> | Those of u with blue tickets were sweating at first. |
| <randell> | It was quite and up-and-down battle throught the game.. |
| <Blackbird> | so what is in the works...???? |
| <randell> | But the "Jeopardy" factor (as Rollin has so named it) came into play quite often... |
| <randell> | For instance, we had a REXX category in the first round... |
| <XRange> | Blackbird it might not be last but to some it's best. |
| <randell> | You would think that either Wayne or Bill (Schindler -- representing POSSI) would run that category... |
| <madodel> | And Wayne was in negative points? with a REXX category? |
| <Projects> | mark: probably a beer or two short at the time :-) |
| <randell> | But neither did... and Steve (Schiffman -- representing SCOUG) knows his REXX as well... |
| <randell> | But we still had to go the the audience for, if I recall correctly, 2 out of the 5 answers... |
| <lmaxson> | Blackbird, what is now MVS appeared originally in 1964. It is still king of the mountain in operating systems. |
| <randell> | So let's try one of those here... |
| <randell> | For 400 in REXX, the clue is... |
| <randell> | : (colon) |
| <Projects> | hey, nobody told me there was a test! |
| <Mok> | 42. What's the question? |
| <John> | How do you indicate a label? |
| <randell> | Absolutely correct John! |
| <n3jja> | I was even there, but since I don't program, forget it. ;-) |
| <Kurt_P> | \who |
| * | Projects was still waiting for the clue :) |
| <randell> | I forget who it was in the audience that got that one... but it was somebody from the REXX Language Association who was having their confernece at the Wigwam just before (and overlapping) WarpTech... |
| <madodel> | Projects: When have you ever had a clue
|
