| <mandie> | b_wardell: welcome!!! :) |
| <Ltning> | dink: warp5 one |
| <JE_Hoover> | the aurora one of course ;) |
| <dink> | hmm ok |
| <Ltning> | hi b_wardell |
| <mandie> | Longstaff: danke :) |
| <^Piggy^> | hi b_wardell |
| <Isxios> | good evening all |
| <JE_Hoover> | ho b_wardell |
| <mandie> | Isxios: g'evening :) |
| <Drifter_> | Brad Wardell is a frog boy? |
| <b_wardell> | yep |
| <JE_Hoover> | might explain a few things ;) |
| <Swanee> | hehe |
| <dink> | ahahahah |
| <Drifter_> | thats where I got those warts from :) |
| <mandie> | b_wardell: did you make the mtg last Thursday? |
| <^Piggy^> | b_wardell: So what are we doing here tonight? |
| <mandie> | Tim!!! welcome |
| <b_wardell> | yea but you weren't there. We demoed Aurora. |
| <Ltning> | hi Tim-IBM |
| <mandie> | b_wardell: you might want to change your nick to simplify things here :) |
| <Swanee> | Hi Tim-IBM!! |
| <Isxios> | I, personally, am here to say thanks to Brad for all the good work SD has done |
| <^Piggy^> | Drifter_: Those are genital warts. |
| <Abraxas> | Hello, Tim |
| <mandie> | oopss...it is the real Brad :) |
| <mandie> | abraxas: it's him :) |
| <Nenad> | hi mr Sipples |
| <b_wardell> | Thanks. |
| <Projects> | mandie! didn't see you sneak in :) |
| <Swanee> | mandie: duh! hahaha |
| <mandie> | swanee: you might want to do a /wi on b_wardell and you'll see why :) |
| * | Sector thinks mandie likes to slip in the back door |
| <mandie> | but only he would have know what I was talking about :) |
| <mandie> | no back doors on my server :) |
| <Wardell> | (just to add to confusion :) |
| <Ltning> | mandie: I bet l.exe does the trick ;) |
| <Tim-IBM> | Hello and good evening (in many time zones)... |
| <Swanee> | mandie: I knew he was frogboy. :-) |
| <mandie> | swanee: you been hanging in the swamp again :) |
| <b_wardell> | On our #stardock channel (on EFNet) I'm usually on as FrogBoy. |
| <mandie> | brad: you had a couple of us fooled :) |
| <Ltning> | For your information: The DoS attack recently discovered on Linux 2.2.x kernels ALSO TAKES OUT OS/2 MACHINES!!!!!! |
| <Swanee> | mandie: But I didn't let on completely because I figured he was in cognito |
| * | Abraxas clears his throat (and typing finger) |
| <b_wardell> | Mandie: You're on MediaOne now right? |
| <mandie> | swanee: ahh, didn't want to blow his cover :) |
| <mandie> | brad: nope..that's not my cable co |
| <Swanee> | mandie: You got it. I can be discreet. :-) |
| <b_wardell> | Ah. |
| <Isxios> | this my first Voice thing, so how do you guys organize here? |
| <mandie> | we have Comcast |
| <mandie> | still 128K ISDN |
| <^Piggy^> | Lets get to some news.... I hope. :) |
| <b_wardell> | heh heh. You should switch then. |
| <Nenad> | Isxios: they don't :) |
| <b_wardell> | Cable modems are so much nicer. |
| * | Abraxas clears his throta, AGAIN!! |
| <Isxios> | oh |
| <b_wardell> | I can access my work machines from home. |
| <madodel> | What the hell does he want? |
| <Ltning> | I guess there's a reason why brad came here today - or I'll be disappointed :) |
| <Nenad> | and your home machines from work... :) |
| <Swanee> | Isxios: Once we start, just Listen and speak when you feel there is a space |
| <Isxios> | ok |
| <Isxios> | I figured that |
| <Drifter_> | ya but @home complain's about such little things like ftpd servers :) |
| <b_wardell> | Well, Mandie and Co. asked me to talk to VOICE and see if there were any questions. We can also talk about the Warp client a bit though details are still a bit sketchy. |
| <madodel> | Has this begun? |
| <Swanee> | Isxios: We may moderate but that remains to be seen... |
| <mandie> | drifter: that's what I heard :( |
| <Ltning> | Drifter_: haha.. only 1.6gig/day.. |
| <Ltning> | ..upstream.. |
| <mandie> | I run the ftpd, httpd and ircd |
| <Abraxas> | VOICE would like to take this opportunity to welcome Brad Wardell (Stardock) to this evenings Speakup |
| <Isxios> | Warp client? |
| <mandie> | shh :) |
| * | TheSeer chears :) |
| <Fuzy|ogic> | big crowd... |
| <dink> | southpark movie june 30th =) |
| * | _Pilot is severely lagging :((( |
| <Abraxas> | In the recent past, all of the VOICE Speakups have been open and unmoderated, and we'd like to start out this evening with the same format |
| * | Swanee applauds politely... while standing... fo quite a while |
| <Ltning> | We'll try to behave. |
| <TheSeer> | *g* |
| <Nenad> | Ltning: don't behave, shut up :) |
| <dink> | yo da_man =) |
| * | Drifter_ slaps duct tape on himself |
| <jjurban> | behave? me? well I'll try. |
| <Abraxas> | If the "room" becomes too noisy and cluttered with questions coming from all directions, we'll have to go to a moderated session |
| <dink> | drifter_: shh be quiet about the ducttape...... |
| <^Piggy^> | shhhhhhh |
| <mandie> | jjurban!!! hi :) |
| <DA_MAN> | hi dink ..wuz up/ |
| <dink> | just chilllin |
| <Longstaff> | we, uhh, only need to worry about moderating the forum when drumpig shows up :) |
| <DA_MAN> | has the speakup session started? |
| <Nenad> | first of all, I want to protest why this starts so late for us from Europe! now you can continiue... :) |
| <TheSeer> | Nenad: *g* |
| <madodel0> | Aren't all you folks over there on holiday? |
| <Isxios> | perhaps a changing in the laws of physics so that the entire earth could be on the same time frame would do |
| * | Swanee checks Abraxas's typing finger for a case of the "slows" |
| <mandie> | let's get the show on the road plz |
| <TheSeer> | Isxios: well.. any hour earlier will help.. ;) |
| <golan> | madodel0 : on holiday in Europe? |
| <TheSeer> | it's 2 am here.. |
| <maximum> | Brad, why a new OS/2 client? |
| * | Drifter_ mumbles from under the duck tape, "so when can we ask questions?" |
| <b_wardell> | Ok, let's start with questions and such. I'll answer any questions anyone has. |
| <mandie> | abraxas must be having problems |
| <Abraxas> | Brad, I'll turn the meeting over to Brad |
| <golan> | theseer: yeah, and we do have to get up early tomorrow! |
| <b_wardell> | Let me first start off with a brief explaination on Stardock and then I'll anser the OS/2 Client question. |
| <TheSeer> | golan: don't tell me ;) |
| <b_wardell> | Stardock is an OS/2 ISV which started in 1994 by producing Galactic Civilizations (a game for OS/2) |
| <b_wardell> | After that game's success, Stardock got into other software for OS/2 such as Object Desktop, Process Commander, OS/2 Essentials, and a numer of other OS/2 games and utilities. |
| <Frogger> | Ribbet! |
| <b_wardell> | In 1996, Windows NT 4.0 came out (booh) and the OS/2 market from an end user's perspective declined rather drastically. It coincided with IBM's release of Warp 4 which was largely targeted at the corporate only market (as opposed to Warp 3). |
| <Nenad> | yes..? |
| <b_wardell> | About a year ago, IBM began talking about Aurora and that they would probably just pursue going after the server market and not even do a client after Warp 4. |
| <Isxios> | boo IBM |
| <b_wardell> | At that point, we started talking to IBM about potentially licensing Aurora and turning that into a client. |
| <mandie> | and the answer we've all been waiting for.......... |
| <b_wardell> | I asked Tim (the guy who just had a ping time out) from IBM to join us so that we can more easily...discuss what can and can't be talked about. |
| <b_wardell> | (Tim has returned). |
| <dink> | what about fixes for OD? Everyone I know (personally) with OD installed has wps freezes up the wah-zoo |
| <b_wardell> | Much of our discussions with IBM are confidential but some details we can talk about. |
| <mandie> | can we start with what "can't" be talked about :) |
| <b_wardell> | heh. |
| <Isxios> | :) |
| <mandie> | Blacky!! welcome |
| <JE_Hoover> | brad - is it likely we will see a product that could be called a warp client (YES / NO) |
| <b_wardell> | Well, I can say that discussion are ongoing and looking pretty positive right now. IBM's a big company and a project like this needs the approval of a lot of people. |
| <^Piggy^> | dink: I actaully don't have OD freeze ups. |
| <b_wardell> | JE_hoover: Very probable. |
| <dink> | hmm.. |
| <Pilot> | so, do you have any agreement ? |
| <Nenad> | b_wardell: from IBM or Stardock? |
| <b_wardell> | No. |
| <dink> | Piggy: well, some ppl have severe lockups w/OD installed |
| <mandie> | are you even close to an agreement? |
| <b_wardell> | Stardock and IBM are still trying to determine the arrangement. |
| <^Piggy^> | dink: I know.... but I don't. :) |
| <b_wardell> | I'll let Tim-IBM answer that. |
| <dink> | lucky you |
| <Isxios> | some people have sever lockups without it installed. Let's just listen |
| <Drifter_> | b_wardell: Why a new client though, Warp 4 is a good client, has a good install base, and a great fixpack team, if IBM would just add more features to it, like thru software choice, they would be better off |
| <Pilot> | maybe draft??? |
| <dink> | isxios: the funny thing is, when they uninstall OD, it stops locking up, so go figure.. |
| <^Piggy^> | shhhhh |
| <sehh> | Drifter_: warp4 is out-dated, old, has no real multimedia support |
| <Isxios> | SHHH |
| <Blacky> | Mandie - Hi, looks like it's busy tonight. |
| <Ltning> | Tim doesn't seem to want to be with us. |
| <b_wardell> | Drifter: Well, first off, Warp 4 is become an aging OS. It's not Year 2K compliant out of the box for instance, there have been numerous driver advancements as well as technological advancements in OS/2 since then that can be found in aurora. |
| <golan> | it seems that tim-ibm is having problems |
| <TheSeer> | looks like Tim is not going to answer anything.. |
| <Nenad> | Tim-IBM is using outdated client, I guess :) |
| <dink> | Drifter_: yea, I'm happy with warp4 + latest fixpak.. I see no reason to shell out more money (that I don't have in the 1st place) for a client update... |
| <Ltning> | KuiSa-Ka! :) |
| <KuiSa-Ka> | Ltning :) |
| <Klaus> | sehh: do you think a stardock client has a new mmos2?? |
| <Isxios> | If he's on NT, I'll die laughing |
| <Swanee> | Let's let brad and tim fill us in on what they want to say and they will let us know when they will answer questions. |
| <b_wardell> | dink: That's your choice. You could also have stayed with Warp 2.11 which many were happy with. |
| <Drifter_> | b_wardell: But is could be retrofitted |
| <sehh> | Klaus: i don't know and i don't think so |
| <KuiSa-Ka> | hi, ppl! |
| <dink> | 2.11 has crummy tcp/ip support |
| <Isxios> | FOCUS People |
| <b_wardell> | Aurora not only is SMP out of the box, it has mcuh better networking and device driver support. It has a new file system (JFS) and numerous other advantgages (if you check out the Aurora specs, you'll see what I mean). |
| <golan> | b_wardell: Y2k is coming fast. Are you talking or are you thinking of a possible client before Dec 31? |
| <Nenad> | 2.11 had no artchron, either |
| <_jm> | Let's hear what Tim has to tell us |
| <Drifter_> | b_wardell: Would IBM or Stardock manage technical support for this new OS, who would continue fixpack development. |
| <TheSeer> | Nenad: |
| <sehh> | b_wardell: device driver support? it that why all the old sound drivers don't work? |
| <b_wardell> | IBM Aurora fixpacks would work on this client. |
| <^Piggy^> | C'mon people. Let him speak. |
| <dink> | the only thing os/2 really needs is new drivers... |
| <Drifter_> | b_wardell: I know about the advantages of Aurora, but these were all built onto a Warp 4 base right? |
| <Nenad> | TheSeer: funny, but that Art tool never connected to anything over the Internet |
| <TheSeer> | b_wardell: what about multimedia stuff.. the mmos/2 is kinda buggy... |
| <b_wardell> | A Stardock/IBM client would be Aurora plus new specific components. |
| <Tim-IBM> | Sorry folks, I'm back. |
| <JE_Hoover> | b_wardell - How do we know that as a client developement company you will provide reasonable support for developers ... I have never known stardock to be particularly helpful regarding problems with OD so how do we know that you would not provide the same level of service to your warp client |
| <TheSeer> | Drifter: aurora has a new kernel.. |
| <TheSeer> | root on irc ;) |
| <b_wardell> | JE_Hoover, Well, for one thing, we would make no promises of that kind. We would instead invest in creating an infrastructure similar to what exists on Linux. |
| * | Nenad wonders why Tim is not using Java IRC client :) |
| <b_wardell> | We would try to get the OS/2 communinity to be more self-sufficient. Create an organization that works together to find out what needs to be written and how to go about writing it. |
| <jjurban> | Please, I'd like to hear what Brad and Tim have to say first. Then we can all quibble. |
| <b_wardell> | We would also include developer tools with the client. |
| <Frogger> | brad: Open Source???? |
| <b_wardell> | No. |
| <b_wardell> | Not open source. |
| <^Piggy^> | great |
| <dink> | if you're going to make it like linux, then how about just release it free |
| <dink> | |
| <b_wardell> | Open Source is more of a marketing phenomenon than a reality. |
| <sehh> | dink: the corporate marked wouldn't like that |
| <b_wardell> | OS/2 can already be greatly expanded and enhanced without giving away source code because of the way IBM designed it. |
| <Ltning> | b_wardell: i have to agree there. |
| <b_wardell> | Try doing an Object Desktop on Linux, for instance without source code to linux. |
| <Ltning> | but the bugs... |
| <Isxios> | all software has bbugs |
| * | Drifter_ gets out his bug spray |
| <b_wardell> | On OS/2, because it was designed for it, a program like Object Desktop can be created without source code because OS/2 was designed from the beginning for an active third party development community. |
| <sehh> | from what i know, warp5 client exists and its ready.. |
| <TheSeer> | b_wardell: what about multimedia stuff.. the mmos/2 is kinda buggy... |
| <sehh> | hmm |
| <b_wardell> | Depends on which part of MMOS/2 you are talking about. |
| <Drifter_> | all of it :) |
| <b_wardell> | We would pull a number of components out of the client such as OpenDoc (OpenDOC MMOS/2 components are a source of many of the instability in MMOS/2) |
| <TheSeer> | b_wardell: try to play an mpeg-movie.. |
| <Isxios> | MMOS2 needs to be replaced. All of it. |
| <Nenad> | b_wardell: you created OD for NT, too, so NT is also well designed? :) |
| <b_wardell> | The product on NT does not do the same things it does on OS/2. |
| <b_wardell> | And it takes a LOT more time to do little things on NT. |
| <Isxios> | So, |
| <TheSeer> | that's why Windowblinds is out for NT ? *g* |
| <Isxios> | OD on NT sits on top of Explorer, rather than integrating with it? |
| <b_wardell> | exactly, a progarm like WindowBlinds would be MUCH easier to create on OS/2 than it is on Windows. |
| <^Piggy^> | b_wardell: So how far are the negotiations with IBM? (On a scale of 1 to 10) |
| <sehh> | hmm |
| <dink> | theseer: because theres more money to be made on nt, common sense? |
| <b_wardell> | I'll let Tim answer that since he's from IBM. |
| <Nenad> | b_wardell: WarpBlinds would be welcomed in OS/2 comunity :) |
| <Tim-IBM> | Thanks, Brad. |
| <Drifter_> | oh.... Tim! time to wake up |
| <JE_Hoover> | b_wardell WindowsBlinds ;) |
| <dink> | b_wardell: if its easier to create, then where is the os/2 version? |
| <TheSeer> | b_wardell: so.. since it's easier to make in os/2 you created it for NT to show the crowd you guys can code ? *g* |
| <Tim-IBM> | First of all, both Brad and I are understandably a bit limited yet in what we can say. |
| <b_wardell> | Because it wouldn't be profitable to do it on OS/2. There's not enough market for pure eyecandy software like that on OS/2. |
| <Tim-IBM> | However, I'm (as they say) "cautiously optimistic." Stardock has made a very attractive |
| <Abraxas> | Sorry .... but I (and a host of others) would like to hear what Brad and Tim have to say .... we'll be Moderated for a short period |
| <Tim-IBM> | proposal, and we'd very much like to do it. We'll try to get both sides to meet together in the middle. |
| <b_wardell> | The challenge is, of course, that the immense size of IBM makes such agreements very time consuming to move forward sometimes. |
| <Tim-IBM> | What I can say is that, whatever we do, we'll protect the interests of our customers. |
| <Tim-IBM> | Which means here, quite simply, that if you get a subscription on OS/2 Warp (including IBM Software Choice) then we expect it'll be honored. |
| <Longstaff> | Tim-IBM - that's very much in the ibm tradition, is it not? |
| <Tim-IBM> | Yes, Longstaff. And both Stardock and IBM agree that that tradition should be honored. |
| <b_wardell> | Just think of the implications though of what that means. It creates some great opportunities but also some significant complexity to such an agreement. |
| <Tim-IBM> | Yes, and that's a bit of what we're wrestling with, although I must say Brad's come up with an elegant solution. |
| <b_wardell> | I think we can move back to open floor now. |
| <b_wardell> | If you guys don't mind. |
| <maximum> | If you are talking about forming an organization, then why not do it and let it do the negotiation with IBM? |
| <VMan> | Brad, about your comment on windowblinds/2. With what has been achieved with Stylist/2 (Smart Windows) and the last CandyBarZ, would you say that a WarpBlinds movement has future? |
| <Tim-IBM> | Maximum: Speaking (unofficially) for IBM, I don't think we could tolerate that -- for legal reasons, among others. |
| <b_wardell> | Well, with regards to an organization, who would run this organization? Adn why would IBM deal with one? IBM wants to deal with an established OS/2 vendor - a commercial vendor. |
| <Klaus> | Tim-IBM: it would be nice if IBM could deside if they want to support OS/2 or just stopp all os/2 development, everything in between is verry bad .-( |
| <TheSeer> | b_wardell: let's talk about the time-schedule.. *if* stardock will do a client.. in what time ? warp 4 is not y2k-ready and i doubt you'll manage to have a product in less then 6 month.. |
| <Isxios> | IBM may value the customer, ut IBM's view of a customer seems limited to large corporations. Where do I fit into IBM's commitment to the customer |
| <_jm> | The problem with os/2 today is drivers for new hardware. Talk of a new client is nice, but is IBM going to create drivers for new hardware--or is stardock going to do this. |
| <Ltning> | b_wardell: Question: If it is to be IBM that will do fixpaks and development of the base os and its components, what exactly is it then StarDock will do? I.e. the things that has to be done for OS/2 to be a good client, is things that IBM then would have to do. |
| <b_wardell> | VMan: We wouldn't do a WarpBlinds type product because it wouldn't be profitable to do it. |
| <Ltning> | Will IBM commit themselves to those tasks? |
| <maximum> | Tim-IBM: You cannot tolerate negotiating with a legal organization? |
| <sehh> | from what we can see, ibm's management is not really interested in os/2... |
| <sehh> | well they know that NT has lots more money to offer..i don't blame them.. |
| <b_wardell> | The first step would be to have an open beta program, we would have to create a new install program that worked with the existing hardware detection features of OS/2's SID install, we would then have to bring in the extra components we want to work on. |
| <Nenad> | the problem I see is the future, OS/2 is quite "current" today but that is mostly because it was ahead of it's time few years ago, I'm afraid that no significant development efforts are being made in IBM to improve and make it technology leader again... like no 64-bit version, no WPS improvements, no directory service on server, no integration... will it be "current" in two years? |
| <JE_Hoover> | Tim-IBM - I dont think that paying IBM $190 USD to report a critical bug that allows OS/2 to be remotely trapped in the TCPIP 4.1 4.21 stacks is reasonable - and I'm really annoyed that you suggested it. |
| <Tim-IBM> | TheSeer: The shipment schedule depends a lot on how quickly we (IBM) can review everything, so it's not necessarily all on Stardock's shoulders. |
| <b_wardell> | |
| <Klaus> | Nenad: I agree to you |
| <Ltning> | Btw Brad.. Why are you running Windows w/mIRC? |
| <b_wardell> | What does a 64bit version buy you for a client? |
| <b_wardell> | Because I'm in NT. |
| <sehh> | Tim-IBM: are you serious? we would PAY to have a bug fixed? this is ridiculous |
| <jjurban> | What can WE do to help make Warp 5 client a reality? |
| <^Piggy^> | b_wardell: I think it was a message from you in Usenet where you mention incorporating "windowblinds technologies" into WinOS2. Do you have this intention. (it'd be rather nice to do it) |
| <Tim-IBM> | Maximum: IBM would not tolerate dealing with an unincorporated organization for these purposes, no. And there are sound legal reasons for that -- some beyond IBM's control. |
| <Projects> | b_wardell: can you stick to plain text por favor? I can't read that red on a black screen |
| <mandie> | jjurban: excellent question! |
| <b_wardell> | Yes, we would do a WindowBlinds for WinOS2 so that Windows programs running on OS/2 would appear to be like OS/2 programs. Just a visual change but important to corporate users who want a consistant user interface. |
| <b_wardell> | projects: sorry. |
| <maximum> | Tim-IBM: Who is talking about an unincorporated organization. Certainly Brad isn't suggesting that. I didn't suggest it at WarpStock98. |
| <Nenad> | b_wardell: new installaton program is a great idea! |
| <^Piggy^> | b_wardell: Great, WinOS2 is in need of a makeover. :) |
| <Tim-IBM> | Hoover: That's how it works, and that's reality. It's a commercially supported operating system at commercial rates under present circumstances. |
| <Projects> | b_wardell: np... I was pasting it to another window, but it's coming fast and furious :) |
| <TheSeer> | Tim-IBM: well.. i really don't care WHO.. i just have no idea HOW it should happen.. you can't "create" a client out of nothing.. |
| <Tim-IBM> | Hoover: The support is unbelievably good from IBM, but it is paid support. |
| <Drifter_> | I would rather see attention on a better win32 support than it looking good |
| <Tim-IBM> | Hoover: And that is not at all uncommon in the industry. |
| <Ltning> | b_wardell: Don't you think it is a tad provoking to use mIRC when you are in this channel to talk about a future OS/2 client? Doesn't really show much commitment... |
| <VMan> | Drifter: I guess that should come with Odin or Everblue |
| <Tim-IBM> | Hoover: (Although what is uncommon is IBM's top quality support.) |
| <sehh> | TheSeer: warp5 client is already made and ready.. |
| <TheSeer> | Drifter: odin is making good progress.. |
| <TheSeer> | sehh: that's rumor.. |
| <Pilot> | Tim-IBM: you mean no more free fixpacks or what? |
| <b_wardell> | There would be no Win32 support. One thing the OS/2 community needs to do is begin supporting itself. Linux has not suffered from not having Win32 support, it's a thriving -- growing community. It's that kind of community that OS/2 needs to thrive. |
| <jjurban> | I'm an OS/2 developer. My main problem surviving is the perception that OS/2 is dead. A Warp 5 client would enable me to stay in business. I will do ANYTHING to help a new client come to be. |
| <Isxios> | He can use whatever the hell he chooses to use. Stop nitpicking and just listen and ask pertinent questions |
| <JE_Hoover> | Tim-IBM - should we send IBM a bill for our 3 programmers time over 2 days to detect the error and save IBM from being sued by any of your bank clients |
| <Frogger> | Ltning: OS wars are boring. Forget about it and concentrate on the future. |
| <Tim-IBM> | Maximum: Stardock has laid a proposal in front of IBM. I'm not implying that other proposals wouldn't be considered. However, I must say that Stardock's is well crafted. |
| <Klaus> | Tim-IBM: can you agree to Sehh's point? (warp5 client is already made and ready..) ?? |
| <Ltning> | Frogger: Yes sir. :) |
| <VMan> | I would start learning C asap, even though I concluded C is primitve ^_^ |
| <b_wardell> | Ltning: OS/2 users have to move beyond superficial useless gestures. Deeds are what matter. Stardock is a commercial corporation it writes software for money. And you can bet that if we publish the next OS/2 client it will be a success because we'd make it our business (as opposed to hobby) to make it successful. |
| <Abraxas> | FWIW, VOICE is currently working on a project that would provide support for OS/2 (curent and future versions) to EVERYONE ... regardless of "number of seats/licenses" that we hope will be all-inclusive ... better than IBM's own APAR reporting system, .... a sear4chable database of problems/fixes culled from USENET, Mailing Lists and one-on-one Q&A with recognized OS/2 "Experts" |
| <Ltning> | b_wardell: I understand your business nees fully. My question, as stated above, is if IBM will be willing to do what THEY have to do to make the changes necessary for OS/2 to be a viable end-user client? |
| <VMan> | Brad: what can you say of the so-talked-about Warp2000.com? |
| <mandie> | abraxas: if Stardock's deal goes through, maybe we can get Brad involved..and maybe even Mr. Tim :) |
| <Tim-IBM> | Hoover: Seriously, I would recommend you evaluate that time, find out how much it costs, and evaluate whether paid IBM support is worth it. |
| <_jm> | I support an os/2 network of machines. My biggest prob. is the perception IBM is kiling os/2. A new client would help, but support of a dell pc (with drivers that run the hardware) would go a long way. |
| <Ltning> | b_wardell: My point is that adding features from your products is not enough, some serious (and not-so-serious) changes to the base OS and multimedia subsystem also has to be made. |
| <sehh> | Abraxas: do we have to be members of voice to access that database? |
| <b_wardell> | If people take a fresh look around at the OS/2 community, they'll see that it really needs to start being more self sufficient. Instead of wondering "when is IBM going to do this" or "when is Stardock going to do that" we'll work to transform it to be more like Linux where the users do for thsmevles. That will be a major goal of ours, to create an infrastructure where users can more eaisly help each other and developers can work together. We |
| <b_wardell> | accessible. |
| <Frogger> | Brad: Is GalCiv going to be ported to Linux? |
| <mandie> | sehh: NO, we're here to assist the OS/2 community |
| <Tim-IBM> | Hoover: We must have a sustainable business case for OS/2 Warp. We will support you at reasonable rates. |
| <Projects> | sehh: no :) |
| <Isxios> | Does Stardock intend to take the WPS under their wing? Improve and support it while IBM handles the rest? |
| <JE_Hoover> | tim-ibm - thats
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