General Meeting from 07/05/99

<five9guy>	tadda
<Longstaff>	good shot five9guy
<five9guy>	hello there everyone
<five9guy>	made and in one peice to
<five9guy>	can someone ping me please
<Longstaff>	it's a little early yet.....not scheduled to get undrway for another 15 minutes
<Longstaff>	five9guy: instantaneous
<five9guy>	kewl
<five9guy>	at least I am not lagging
<five9guy>	well whaile we are waiting I am going to go and get a drink and get some smokes. I am down to 2
<five9guy>	brb
<Longstaff>	good time.....keep the line open :)
<five9guy>	I think in the mean time inbetween time I am going to go ahead and keep working on my page
<five9guy>	got any suggestions for it
<Longstaff>	go for it.....warp can multitask, so you can keep gtirc running while you hack - no suggestions offhand
<five9guy>	I know I can do multiple things while on here
<five9guy>	that is one of the things I love about it
<Joc_>	that is great, I finally remembered to connect at the right time and on the right day, that is so tough to do!
<five9guy>	lol
<Sector>	Whats so tough about itù
<Longstaff>	Joc_ - i know!
<Joc_>	sector, there are many more hours when there no meeting...
<Sector>	True, you just need to check the VOICE website where it tells you when and where
<Joc_>	sector, usually I either have a meeting, or remember about it the next day, or remember it way too early.
<Sector>	Sounds like you need a reminder
<Joc_>	Sector, I need a brain... :)
*	Sector gives Joc_ Longstaffs brain
<Joc_>	mmmh, is it a good one? :)
<Joc_>	but a reminder might be a good idea, just I need to remember to set it...
<Longstaff>	a secretary might be a good idea :)
*	Sector volunteers Longstaff to be Joc_'s secretary
<Longstaff>	oh gawd :)
<trouvere>	Hello, all
<five9guy>	LOL
<Longstaff>	hiya trouvere
<Joc_>	Sector seems to be a good leader, he/she like to volunteer peoples :)
<Sector>	It's a dirty job but someones got to do it
<Joc_>	lol
<madodel>	Well it's after 8PM. Longstaff want to start things off, since no one else from the BoD is here?
<Joc_>	now, I don't want to take anybody's job, but it's 6 past eight! (I would hate to have made all those effort for nothing!)
<madodel>	Or shall we give them a few more minutes?
*	Longstaff rises
*	Sector doesn't have any time to give
<Longstaff>	the general meeting is now underway officially......are there any items for the agenda?
<madodel0>	But Andrew you don't actually ever seem to do anything
<Sector>	Who said you had to be doing anythingù
<StevenL>	Sector is working in virtual mode.
<Longstaff>	if nobody else has anything pressing, i'd like to take a moment to announce that VOICE has an event chairperson for warpstock, and he's here tonight
<maximum>	Here. Here.
<madodel0>	hip hip horray
<Longstaff>	five9guy - dunno if you'd like to say a few words?
<maximum>	Don't keep us in suspense.
<five9guy>	hello there everyone
<StevenL>	Hi.
<madodel0>	And you are in reality? Any intro?
<westwind>	hello five9guy
<Joc_>	what is a "event chairperson"?
<Joc_>	what event?
<Longstaff>	five9guy - how would you like to be introduced? :)
<freiheit>	Hello there!
<Longstaff>	welcome freiheit
<five9guy>	it doesn't matter
<mandie>	hello :)
<Longstaff>	hiya mandie
<five9guy>	bob will do just fine
<Sector>	Hi
<freiheit>	Bob, Bob the chatter.
<five9guy>	it is for warpstock Joc_
<five9guy>	how is everyone doing this eve?
*	freiheit is doing well.
<Longstaff>	bob has very helpfully volunteered to man the booth for warpstock
<maximum>	Altogether now.
<Joc_>	five9guy, you are taking of one event in particular, or WarpStock in general?
<freiheit>	Woohoo! You go Bob!
<mandie>	and who might Bob be?
<Joc_>	err, taking _care_
<five9guy>	just this years event as far as I know
<Sector>	Bob be five9guy in disguise
<madodel0>	hmmm, not the Bob of microsoft fame?
<Longstaff>	mandie - bob is five9guy
<five9guy>	no
<maximum>	Steve, are you doing two chat sessions at a time?
<Longstaff>	lol - bob runs warp fulltime......no windoze
<Sector>	maximum: Why stop at twoù
<maximum>	I'm new to this chat thing.
<mandie>	maximum: you catch on quick :)
<five9guy>	lol
<maximum>	Steve, you must believe in chaos and fractals.
<mandie>	five9guy: have you attended warpstock in the past?
<five9guy>	no
<maximum>	Well, I am using the GTIRC.
<mandie>	five9guy: can I ask your real name plz?
<westwind>	warpstock location?
<mandie>	Atlanta
<five9guy>	bob wagstaff
<Sector>	With GTIRC you can have muliple channels open at the same time
<maximum>	Thank you.
<mandie>	hmm
<five9guy>	what?
<maximum>	hmm, she said.
<mandie>	is wagstaff your real last name?
<mandie>	lol
<freiheit>	mandie!
<StevenL>	Sector, multiple nets too.
<five9guy>	why?
<mandie>	freiheit!! :)
<freiheit>	geez
<freiheit>	heheh
*	Sector only needs one net
*	StevenL Well, webbnet is the best :).
<Joc_>	StevenL, multiple net??? By running multiple session of GTIRC?
<five9guy>	almost anything you would like to know about me is on my web page mandie
<StevenL>	Yes.
<maximum>	I assume we will get a more definite response on the VOICE website.
<mandie>	five9guy: welcome :) what's your url?
<five9guy>	http://members.tripod.com/five9guy is what my url is for now
<westwind>	with open chat/2 multiple nets on one session... :) (not a salesman) :)
<five9guy>	however I am in the middle of changing that as we speak
<maximum>	Does anyone want to talk about WarpStock events?
<mandie>	five9guy: you've volunteered to be exhibit chair for VOICE warpstock 99?
*	freiheit chant's "Warpstock, Warpstock, Warpstock, Warp Expo West, Warpstock"
<five9guy>	yes
<madodel0>	Don you going to WEW?
<mandie>	five9guy: thank you and welcome aboard :)
<freiheit>	Not positive yet.
<freiheit>	I would like to, though.
<Joc_>	five9guy, each person have a different view on their responsabilities, what are yours regarding WarpStock? How many will have the same functions are yours?
<mandie>	maximum: sure...where would you like to start?
<five9guy>	as far as how many I am unsure at this point in time
<Joc_>	more than one?
<maximum>	Do we have an events or exhibit person we are introducing here?
<madodel0>	maximum: he is the VOICE event chairperson.
<mandie>	we need to get an annoucement posted with this information
<madodel0>	Responsible for co-ordinating volunteers at the VOICE booth
<maximum>	Could we enumerate the various chairpersons?
<five9guy>	as far as the responsibalities I am going to be in charge of contacting the volunteers through Email and getting everything set up for the booth as well as a schedule of when the ppl are to man the booth
<mandie>	Longstaff: would you get that done and posted to admin for review plz?
<Longstaff>	mandie - i'd be delighted :)
*	madodel0 volunteers for the booth. :-)
<mandie>	maximum: this is just for VOICE, nothing to do with the warpstock chair ppl
<Joc_>	five9guy, thanks for the answer
<five9guy>	np
<maximum>	I've done overstepped the scope again.
<madodel0>	maximum: you going to ws99?
<mandie>	maximum :)
<mandie>	going! I would expect that maximum will be making a presentation again this year?
<maximum>	I certainly plan on being there. Will they let me present again?
<madodel0>	maximum: Is there a reason they shouldn't? :-O
<StevenL>	Back in while folks...
<freiheit>	heheh
<maximum>	Well, last year I was the last presenter.
<mandie>	then you need to remedy that this year
<Longstaff>	maximum - we're very interested....what would be your presentation topic?
<maximum>	Brad Wardell joked twenty minutes into my session.
<mandie>	maximum: doubt that you'll have that problem this year
<mandie>	although off to a slow start, I feel this year will show much more organization than past events
<Joc_>	maximum what was your topic last year?
<maximum>	Warpicity.
<freiheit>	(not to be confused with WarpCity) :)
*	madodel0 notes that next Monday there will be a speakup on that topic
<mandie>	maximum: I'm awaiting a reply from Larry F about accessing the compuserve forum for your speakup
<maximum>	Please note also that there will also be one this Saturday morning 6:am PDT.
<freiheit>	Oops, bbl
<maximum>	mandie, that depends upon input from Glenn Meadows.
<Joc_>	mmh, I will try to assist, I find out what is "Warpicity". Just too bad WarpStock is on the other side of the continent. :(
<mandie>	maximum: he is?
<maximum>	As far as I know Larry F is cohosting this next Monday's session.
<mandie>	Joc: there's a good article that maximum wrote in the VOICE newsletter re: warpicity
<Joc_>	k
<maximum>	Joc, does that put you on the west coast?
<Joc_>	west coast??? Atlanta is on east coast??? I need to review my geography!
<Timka>	hello all!
<Longstaff>	hiya Timka
<mandie>	Timka: hi :)
<maximum>	Joc, what is the other side of the continent to you?
<Joc_>	west
<Longstaff>	atlanta is actually farther west than cleveland :)
<Joc_>	I'm in Ottawa, Canada
<maximum>	Joc, then ws99 is on your side of the continent?
<five9guy>	alot futher south to
<maximum>	The great circle route.
<Longstaff>	Joc_ - if you're driving, head for detroit and bear south
<Joc_>	I'm checking the map at the moment...
<maximum>	When is it appropriate to speak about WS99 events?
<maximum>	Must be in the wrong pew.
<Joc_>	mmmh, Atlanta is not where I thought it was... http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=ia-map-result&zoom_level=1&mscsid=&uid=uc18v6n8q0hdb7iv:2x0aawuua&SNVData=7%3d%2a%26:%3d%2a%26%5e%5e%12j33wjv%5eS%17%5e%5e9%5e%10F%12%26:xl-t55f7n%2a%3dy5%21ayg967%3dn7m-lat55f,cw8%7c.5wbg5u,4kqmp%28at2%24msjsmm-1yb%3bndhmn%3bt%3bejkcj%3ba%3bBBDnklqr%280,QXO2jrblji%3ba%3bBBDnn7m-u.WIKu3rs%3b7%3bBBDnklqr%280,QXO2jrblji%3ba%3bBBDnn7m-lat55f,QXO2cw8%7c.5wbg5u,%1
<os2OChat>	man o man that is the longest url ive seen yet
<madodel0>	Nothing like a simple URL
<Longstaff>	a url like that deserves some kinda prize :)
<os2OChat>	rotfl
<Joc_>	if it's the right Atlanta, it's just above Florida
<five9guy>	no doubt
<Timka>	grr... re
<maximum>	I was about to send my machine in for repairs.
<madodel0>	Atlanta is in Georgia, just North of Florida
<Sector>	maximum: Why is that?
<mel25>	which url?
<Longstaff>	Joc_ that sounds like the one, only check your scale.....it's a couple of hundred miles above the florida state line
<maximum>	I have enough trouble with plain english. Unplain scares me.
<Sector>	mel25: http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=ia-map-result&zoom_
<Sector>	level=1&mscsid=&uid=uc18v6n8q0hdb7iv:2x0aawuua&SNVData=7%3d%2a%26
<Sector>	:%3d%2a%26%5e%5e%12j33wjv%5eS%17%5e%5e9%5e%10F%12%26:xl-t55f7n%2a
<Sector>	%3dy5%21ayg967%3dn7m-lat55f,cw8%7c.5wbg5u,4kqmp%28at2%24msjsmm-1y
<Sector>	b%3bndhmn%3bt%3bejkcj%3ba%3bBBDnklqr%280,QXO2jrblji%3ba%3bBBDnn7m
<Sector>	-u.WIKu3rs%3b7%3bBBDnklqr%280,QXO2jrblji%3ba%3bBBDnn7m-lat55f,QXO
<Sector>	2cw8%7c.5wbg5u,%1
<Sector>	That URL
<mel25>	oh my
<maximum>	that URL!
<mel25>	yep would have to agree
<Joc_>	Longstaff, I'm not at plus or minus 100 km, it's just about 10% error, good enough for me...
<maximum>	Joc, anywhere within two hundred miles is beautiful country.
<mel25>	so may I ask what VOICE is without seeming too blatantly foolish?
<Longstaff>	not foolish at all mel25
<mandie>	!ask voice
<VoiceBot>	[voice] Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education (mandie)
<Longstaff>	voice is a kinda warp community
<Joc_>	could I define voice as a virtual user group?
<madodel0>	mel25: Do you know what OS/2 is?
<mandie>	mel: we're a "virtual" OS/2 user group that promotes OS/2 and supports the OS/2 community
<mandie>	Joc: yes :)
<mel25>	thanks appreciate the info...kept wondering why this was the most highly populated chat here
<maximum>	VOICE sponsors WarpStock.
<mel25>	nod
<mandie>	VOICE "supports" warpstock
<mel25>	OS/2 was the IBM operating system right?
<maximum>	mandie, don't lose me in this thing.
<Joc_>	no, it _is_
<madodel0>	mel25: still is
<Longstaff>	yes, but os/2 is still a current ibm product
<madodel0>	!ask os/2
<VoiceBot>	[os/2] Premium 32-bit multitasking, multithreaded O.S. for PCs. (os2hq)
<mel25>	thought os/2 had been left behind because of WIndows...actually glad to hear it hasn't
<mandie>	maximum: hehe...we have contributed $500.00 towards the Sat. night WS99 social event and will contribute another $500 when our $500 challenge is met by another contributor
<five9guy>	os/2 warp to me is a better O.S. then "windoze"
<Longstaff>	mel25 - windows has serious limitations
*	mandie likes five9guy's thinking!
<mel25>	I know Windows has limitations, I actually would like to invest in Linux if it weren't for the compatibility issues
<mel25>	no offense intended
<maximum0>	Sorry, I got disconnected there.
<Joc_>	Is the financing of WarpStock difficult?
<mandie>	os2Ochat: hi :)
<five9guy>	seems to me like all the viruses are created by microsoft for their own operating sysems so that ppl will have to go get a newer version of it for their pc's
<Longstaff>	mel25 - i respect linux technically, but am staying with warp for the indefinite future.......billyware can go to blazes
<mandie>	Joc: yes, it's totally dependent upon registrations
<madodel0>	mel25: no problem. We are all about choice. We just don't like microsoft shoving windoze down our throts.
<madodel0>	ah throats
<mandie>	hubby is downstairs right now fighting with "billy" ware..very very upset
<maximum0>	I look at WarpStock as a unifying event.
<mel25>	I definetely agree with that statement completely
<mandie>	maximum: same here...
<Longstaff>	that's what i dislike most about windoze i think.....it disfigures it's users
<mandie>	kinda like a "family" reunion :)
<mandie>	Projects!!!
<madodel0>	most OS/2 users are forced to use windoze in work, but buy OS/2 to install on their home pcs
<Projects>	mandie!
<mel25>	ok now what is Warpstock..iwhere will it be held?
<mandie>	!ask warpstock
<westwind>	what will be at the #voice booth @ ws99???
<VoiceBot>	[warpstock] http://www.warpstock.org for information (mandie)
<maximum0>	Warps
<Longstaff>	mel25 - it's in atlanta in october......we're goin' :)
<Joc_>	I'm proud to say that I use OS/2 at work, all day long (the only here!)
<mel25>	doesn't os/2 have compatibility issues as well? apologies again..I thought it would have problems with the preconfigured win software as well
<five9guy>	the first time I got on a pc it had windoze and I know alot of other ppl who have it but then I found out about warp through my mother and I would much rather use this than the junk called windoze
<madodel0>	mel25: OS/2 runs DOS, win 3.1, *NIX ports, and some win32 software
*	Projects never did the windows thing... dos -> OS/2 and never looked back
<Joc_>	mel25, yes it does have compatibility problems, especially new devices
<Longstaff>	mel25 - os/2 can run most win16 apps, but gate$ invested millions to make sure it won't run win32
<maximum0>	You have a compatibility problem if you need what they offer.
<mel25>	billyboy strikes again
*	Longstaff runs warp all day and night at work also
<mel25>	really irks me that he is permitted to squash competitors
<westwind>	what will be at the #voice booth @ ws99???
<mandie>	westwind: us :)
<Longstaff>	t-shirts!
<westwind>	:)
<five9guy>	I run a buffer at work and do all the pc stuff on warp
<Joc_>	mel25, but there is lots of hardware that works fine with Os/2, so if you buy a new computer, it's a matter to check what availble and to choose one that has supports.
<Projects>	BTW, this is last call for anyone wishing to take advantage of the June DTB deal... if you registered/renewed with Voice in June, speak up now, or forever hold your peace :)
<mandie>	westwind: last year we had quite a few software discounts to offer to our existing and new members
<westwind>	not who, what...
<mandie>	sold t-shirts
<five9guy>	as far as t-shirts are concerned what is going to be on them
<mandie>	gave away floppy's with irc clients
<five9guy>	anyone here know
<mandie>	five9guy: we have quite a few left from last year, they are Raspberry pink with a voice logo :)
<westwind>	DTB deal?
<five9guy>	ok
<mandie>	we chose not to put anything pertaining to WS on them so that we could use again this year
<Projects>	westwind: DeskTop Backup from Pillarsoft
<five9guy>	just wondering....and as long as I don't wonder to long I won't get lost
<Projects>	luckily...
<mel25>	ok are there any patches being made to convert from win over to os/2 as far as software is concerned?
<maximum0>	Yes.
<madodel0>	!ask odin
<VoiceBot>	[odin] Not found.
<madodel0>	hmmm
<madodel0>	!ask netlabs
<VoiceBot>	[netlabs] Not found.
<Projects>	well find it, silly bot
<Projects>	!ask win32-os2
<VoiceBot>	[win32-os2] Not found.
<mandie>	!ask win32
<VoiceBot>	[win32] Not found.
<maximum0>	Naw, Warpicity addresses that as well.
<mandie>	hmm
<mandie>	I need to do some entries
<Joc_>	mandie, try to kick the but...
<Joc_>	err, but=bot
<Projects>	or in that context, bott? :)
<Joc_>	hehe
<mel25>	well it has been nice chatting with you all, I will stop back in again sometime.
<maximum0>	I think Esther is right when it comes to locating OS/2 users?
<mandie>	!set netlabs NetL@bs http://www.netlabs.org/
<VoiceBot>	[netlabs] Has been added.
<madodel0>	http://www.netlabs.org/odin/
<mandie>	mad: why not the main page?
<Projects>	maximum0: what did she say?
<madodel0>	That is the main page for the Odin project
<maximum0>	Said you we had no idea of their number or location.
<maximum0>	They wander in. They wander out.
<Projects>	maximum0: ya... sounds about right.
<madodel0>	!set Odin The re-born win32-OS/2 project - http://www.netlabs.org/odin/
<VoiceBot>	[Odin] Has been added.
<five9guy>	hey mandie did you glance at my page at all?
<mandie>	five9guy: yes :)
<mandie>	five9guy: enough to find out that you like all music except polka's :)
<madodel0>	!set win32-os/2 Now re-born as the Odin project - http://www.netlabs.org/odin/
<VoiceBot>	[win32-os/2] Has been added.
<five9guy>	lol
<mandie>	five9guy: every been to my page?
<mandie>	!ask mandie
<VoiceBot>	[mandie] http://www.gt-online.com/~bri (mandie)
<five9guy>	no
<maximum0>	Would it be possible to invite Brad back to discuss his infrastructure concept?
<madodel0>	Everybody has been to Judy's page
<Projects>	five9guy: go there now. Do not pass GO. Do not collect...
<mandie>	!set MoonScape Moon Scape Designs http://www.moon-scape.com
<VoiceBot>	[MoonScape] Has been added.
<mandie>	mad :)
<Projects>	.!set blatant advertising ->mandie<-
<Projects>	:)
<mandie>	maximum: sure, I email him and tell him to let me know when he has some new info
<Longstaff>	maximum0 - can you give us an encapsulation of brad's infrastructure concept?
<madodel0>	Judy is the Queen of OS/2 websites
<mandie>	LOL
<five9guy>	I am there now
<Projects>	guess you're allowed though, it's your bot :)
<mandie>	projects: you can set your page if you'd like :)
<mandie>	!ask projects
<VoiceBot>	[projects] Not found.
<Projects>	!ask Spoken
<VoiceBot>	[Spoken] OS/2 Spoken Here! at http://www2.yellowhead16.net/~plazenby/index.html (Projects)
<Projects>	already have :)
<mandie>	hehe
<maximum0>	longstaff: he talked about feeding part of the proceeds from the proposed new os/2 client back into funded support for an user infrastructure.
<maximum0>	longstaff?
<Longstaff>	maximum0 - thanx....that would be interesting
<Joc_>	an user infrstructure is nice, but without new development it won't do much.
<maximum0>	It's interesting because all current proposals depend upon a funded source, entirely different from approach taken with Linux.
<mandie>	Joc: but if they get the project for a new client, there will be new development
<maximum0>	Joc, Warpicity addresses the new development/maintenance issues.
<mandie>	maximum: from what I understand of the warpicity...there would be only one developer?
<maximum0>	mandie, you need to reexamine your statement. Brad is not doing new development. Neither is IBM.
<Joc_>	I need to read about Warpicity
*	Longstaff notes that the list of new warp apps continues to expand irrespective of warp5 client initatives
*	mandie needs to reread the log from Brad's speakup :(
<maximum0>	longstaff notes correctly.
<maximum0>	Warpicity allows a single developer to produce what now takes hundreds.
<Projects>	still no accounting apps though...
<mandie>	John Urbanik may be releasing a new childrens (age 3-7) educational game at WS 99
<Projects>	cool, got one who'll play with it now, and one on the way
<Longstaff>	lol mandie - five9guy may snag a copy :)
<maximum0>	However Warpicity does not limit the world to one developer. Warpicity simply states that you do not need more than one at a time.
<mandie>	:)
<five9guy>	lol
<five9guy>	yea for my daughters
<mandie>	I will certainly buy it for my grandaughter :)
<Longstaff>	five9guy - future warpers! :)
*	Projects wishes he could get his kids away from win-os2
<five9guy>	I have a few of them
<five9guy>	lol
<Sector>	Projects: That's easy, disable it better yet delete it
<Projects>	Sector: can't, 'cause of the software available... but, it is win-os2 and not windows, so I let it slide :)
<Sector>	tell the kids it's broke and they'll have to use different software
*	Projects needs Chips Challenge/2 and that silly mouse/cat thing to keep one daughter happy
<Projects>	hehe
<Projects>	Sector: done that with lots already :)
*	Longstaff has clients still running win3 - the majority of windoze machines are still win3
<Projects>	my only true win box is weenie, and that's inactive 99% of the time
<maximum0>	longstaff ought to really force the SEC to look at MS accounting practice. You can't buy Windows 3.1
<madodel0>	Have we announced the Warpstock99 Kickoff Speakup yet?
*	Projects put it to work doing seti@home
<mandie>	madodel: I just sent the info out tonight...
<mandie>	Longstaff: can you also compose an announcement for the ws99 speakup and post to admin?
<madodel0>	July 24, 1999 at 1 p.m. EST < Shouldn't that be EDT?
<mandie>	yep
<Projects>	why not just say "eastern" and leave it at that?
<Longstaff>	mandie - will see to it
<five9guy>	hey mandie would you mind if I put your url on my page for a link to other pages?
<mandie>	corrected and email sent
<mandie>	five9guy: be my guest :)
<five9guy>	ok
<madodel0>	Any more raffle prizes for that event?
<five9guy>	b.t.w. I also signed the guestbook ok
<mandie>	madodel: I don't think we need more than a couple of additional raffle prizes for that night
<mandie>	five9: thx!! :)
<Projects>	oh oh...
<Projects>	now she knows where you live...
<Projects>	:)
<five9guy>	lol
<five9guy>	let her come visit me I don't care
<mandie>	but will she "remember"! :)
<Projects>	hahahaha
<five9guy>	lol she has a reference to look at
<mandie>	five9: thx for the nice entry :)
<five9guy>	np
<five9guy>	All drugs have a generic name. Tylenol is Acetaminophen...Advil is Ibuprofen...And so on...What's the generic name for Viagra?
<five9guy>	Mycoxafailin
<mandie>	LOL
<mandie>	"I" find that amusing :)
<Longstaff>	hehe
<five9guy>	I got a ton of them
<five9guy>	I am making my web site with a ton of jokes on it
<mandie>	I think we should add five9guy to our admin
<mandie>	mailing list that is
<Longstaff>	hey, we're planning on doing irc from the voice booth, right?
<Projects>	hehehe
<Longstaff>	mandie - i second that
<mandie>	longstaff: god willing and the network permits :)
<Projects>	hope so... I wanna be there too
<mandie>	longstaff: drop dan a note requesting he add him
<Longstaff>	mandie - i will
<mandie>	longstaff: I hope your taking notes :)
<mandie>	2 announcements, and one email :)
*	Longstaff is logging :)
<mandie>	as soon as we hear from Larry, we need to get a reminder out about the Lynn Maxson speakup
<mandie>	maximum to be exact :)
<mandie>	maximum: is your hair blondish?
<maximum>	The darn thing ask me for a nickname. All I could come up with was a moniker my cousins gave me when we were children.
<mandie>	maximum: it's appropriate :)
<maximum>	blondish, grayish, horriblish.
<Projects>	hehe
<mandie>	maximum: kind of longish?..I recall you from last year..met you when Rollin and the group was in the lobby :)
<maximum>	Very longish. Ponytailish.
<Sector>	mandie: Are you sure it wasn't the barù
<mandie>	hehe
<mandie>	maximum: yep, that's you!
<maximum>	Rollin's father and I worked together for many, many years with IBM.
<mandie>	ah, small world ;)
<maximum>	Rollin's father remains a manufacturing industry guru.
<mandie>	still with IBM?
<maximum>	No, we are both "retired". Downsized.
<mandie>	ah
<maximum>	But we still bleed blue.
<mandie>	:)
<Sector>	So your Bluebloods
<maximum>	If it's IBM blue.
<mandie>	well, I have to take off....been nice chatting to you all :)
<mandie>	nytol :)
<Longstaff>	ibm have cool offices :)
<maximum>	If you can find them.
<Longstaff>	maximum - true....their restraint with publicity extends to signage!
<five9guy>	I getting closer to having my next page done there ppl
<maximum>	If IBM knew how to handle publicity, there would not be an MS, only a better OS than MS.
*	madodel would like to know the names of the IBM lawyers that OK's the original DOS contract
<Longstaff>	five9guy - you should include a warpstock logo so you can get your site on the supporters page - only wait until you have the site location steady
<maximum>	You know, sometimes you can be overly independent.
<five9guy>	sounds like a plan
<madodel>	I think I figured out why WSe-b has been freezing a lot on me. I forgot to apply the OD 2.0 Fixkit.
<maximum>	Let's not forget that DOS was not IBM's first choice.
<five9guy>	ADULT: A person who has stopped growing at both ends and is now growing in the middle.
<Projects>	let's also not forget that the only *original* thing ever coming out of redmond was Bob
<Longstaff>	maximum - that's something wrong with 'pirates of silicon valley' which i presume everybody saw.....it never mentioned dan bricklin
<maximum>	It wasn't Bricklin. It was DR.
<WhiteDrag>	bye!
<maximum>	Besides 'pirates of silicon valley' was more fantasy than fact.
<madodel>	I understand the personalities were captured pretty well
<maximum>	I'll give you that. Neither Steve Jobs nor Billy G would make my most admired list.
<maximum>	When I want to see an arrogant asshole I just look in the mirror.
<Longstaff>	that part was interesting: unsympathetic good guy - partly sympathetic bad guy
<maximum>	IBM came off looking stupid. No one should ever make that mistake.
<madodel>	Appears wealth had nothing to do with making either a scumbag
<maximum>	Well, there are some things that money cannot prevent.
<Longstaff>	well, i speak as a strong ibm supporter, but i can't help saying that ibm stupidity on occasions has been legendary
<five9guy>	no doubt
<maximum>	No, IBM has made inappropriate decisions, but never stupid ones. They make no decisions without horrendous discussion.
<Longstaff>	maximum - it goes with a company that size
<Joc_>	it easier to say it was stupid when know what happen afterward, but it's quite different when one does know.
<maximum>	Its size is what got in the way.
<Joc_>	err, does _not_ know
<maximum>	What?
<Longstaff>	maximum - i think their own monopoly settlement in 1982 with the gov't was traumatic and influential to this day
<maximum>	Sorry. Missed your message.
<Joc_>	just that it's easy to say NOW that it was stupid, but at the time, I dounbt you could have predicted what would have happen.
<Joc_>	dounb=doubt
<maximum>	The settlement was anticlimatic. It settled nothing. The fifteen year trial period with its FUD changed things internally.
<madodel>	According to Dave Both IBM never planned to sell more then afew thousand pc's. They couldn't see a use for them outside mega-corps.
<Joc_>	at the time it was a reasonable assumption
<maximum>	Look, from the start IBM sought a non-IBM OS for the PC.
<Longstaff>	well, that was then......i'm looking ahead to when the 1990s will be remembered as the decade of windoze, and thought of as a dark age. in the next century we're gonna get some real innovation back
<maximum>	longstaff, you got it.
<Joc_>	wishfull thinking
<madodel>	Yes but why from a scum sucking toad like gates?
<maximum>	Joc, nope
<maximum>	We have never depended on Gates for innovation.
<Longstaff>	gate$ doesn't depend on gate$ for innovation....he steals things :)
<maximum>	Gates has been the one seeking out innovation and fearing it if elsewhere.
<maximum>	Steve, should I be over on the SCOUG channel?
<Joc_>	companies MUST make money, and perfectly good software needs no support, no update, etc, and that brings no money!
<Joc_>	companies must ensure that people will BUY again, and again, to survive
<Sector>	maximum: Your welcome to join in
*	Projects would be happy to pay for a v5 of this perfectly good OS
<maximum>	Joc, the dynamics of the environment forces change. That affects software.
<maximum>	Joc, Warpicity offers a different economic model.
<Joc_>	maximum, I get a very distinct that we are reaching a plateau, people are a lot more reluctant to buy a new computer because theirs is fast enough, and people are reluctant to buy new software because theirs everything they want.
<Joc_>	err, distinct _feeling_
<Longstaff>	Joc_ most businesses reached that mindset surprisingly soon after the debut of windoze
<maximum>	Joc, we are blind men on different parts of an elephant.
<Joc_>	?
<maximum>	The problem is for blind men not to insist upon what they cannot see.
<maximum>	Joc, you have a portion of truth for a portion of the community.
<Longstaff>	well, at the very least blind men should not drive taxis, or do qa for video cards :)
<maximum>	longstaff, thank you.
<Joc_>	right
<madodel>	Good night all
<Longstaff>	good night madodel
<Projects>	night Mark
<maximum>	I'm going to switch to the SCOUG session.
<Longstaff>	oh yeah - that just started
<Sector>	You can have two channels, no need to "switch"
<Joc_>	is it on the same net?
<Sector>	Yup, right where you are
<maximum>	You don't understand my limited multitasking ability. It has nothing to do with the software.
<_os2OChat>	its been fun goint to #scoug ;)
<Projects>	Joc: yup... #scoug
<Joc_>	I'm there, nothing's happening at the moment
<maximum>	Be patient.
<Joc_>	what is GMT?
<Sector>	Monday nights is the help desk, sometimes since OS/2 works so well it's a little slow
<Sector>	Greenich Mean Time
<Joc_>	ah, ok, I should have know.
<Longstaff>	well, since there are no more agenda items, i'm going to declare the meeting officially concluded, unless someone objects
<Sector>	Also there's UT which is Universal Time.
*	Sector objects just for the sake of objecting
<Joc_>	from what I understand, GMT is obsolete
<Projects>	hehehe
<Longstaff>	lol Sector - please state yer objection :)
<Sector>	Supposedly, but most people are more apt to recognize GMT as opposed to UT
<Joc_>	right
*	Sector objects on the grounds of it's too early
<Joc_>	eventhouhg I did not recognize it...
*	Longstaff overrules the objection on the grounds that Sector oughta get a life :)
<Joc_>	I would object, but I'm too tired, so I simply stay quiet, and try to catch a few zzzz
<Sector>	Whatz thatù
<Projects>	the middle part of a pizza
<Joc_>	the zzz?
*	Sector knows what a Pizza is
<Projects>	take off the pi and the a and catch what's in between :)
<Joc_>	the sound that one does when he sleeps. You never reads comics???
*	Sector doesn't know what a life is
<Joc_>	lol
<StevenL>	By all. See you at #scoug.