SpeakUp with Benedict Chong, author of PowerBoot from 08/17/98
Due to some unforeseen difficulties with his Internet Service Provider, Benedict Chong, author of
PowerBoot, was forced to re-join the channel several times. This accounts for the few delays in
discussion. The internet is a fickle beast at times, and we would all like to assure both Mr.
Chong and the OS/2 community that his presence on this evening was appreciated.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:07:29 ] <Abraxas> VOICE welcomes Benedict Chong (bluesky), the Author of Power Boot
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:08:20 ] <bluesky> Hi all, (putting on abestoes suit)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:08:48 ] <Abraxas> bluesky we're all freindly in here :-)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:08:58 ] <Swanee> Hi bluesky
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:08:59 ] <mandie> no asbestos needed here...we're just happy that you support os/2 :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:09:00 ] * Rhunter breaks out the freeze ray:))) don't worry blue..tame place here
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:09:26 ] <freiheit> bluesky, thanks for coming. Would you like to start things off by telling us a bit about yourself and what you do?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:10:01 ] <trixer> I'll bet he's a programmer
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:10:03 ] <trixer> :>
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:10:12 ] <bluesky> I'm a programmer, entrepreneur, marketing, sales all rolled into one.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:11:10 ] <bluesky> Started off( long story ahead) in 1993 with a card called IDE Pro. Let you connect up IDE drives without worrying about master/slave.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:12:18 ] <bluesky> At that time, I think, Warp 3.0 had just come up, so we had a number of requests to do Warp 3.0 support. I guess also mainly because our main distributor at that time was running a BBS on an OS/2 system.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:13:23 ] <bluesky> At that time also, I had this little Gateway Handbook. And I had the original
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:14:29 ] <bluesky> Oops. Pressed ENTER too soon. Anyway, I had the original OS/2 Warp installed on the Handbook. Learned the hard way that 4M is not enough for OS/2. Bought another 4M and there it was, the smallest machine running a real 32-bit OS :-)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:16:01 ] <bluesky> The start up we had came up with another product, this time to break the 504M barrier of IDE hard drives. This one, called Power Bios, was pretty successful in Singapore, where I came from. It's also sold in the US by Unicore Software as LBA Pro.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:16:49 ] <bluesky> Then in 1996, I came over to the Bay Area and Bluesky Innovations LLC was started to market products like Power Boot and The ZppA and the other Zip drive products.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:17:52 ] <bluesky> By that time, I had sold my Handbook, to another OS/2 user in Singapore.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:19:21 ] <bluesky> Power Boot was developed initially because I had system commander and thought I could do a simpler job. Then as users had more ideas and needs, Power Boot was developed further.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:20:39 ] <bluesky> Some of the inputs came from OS/2 users, hence the ability (limited tho' it might be) to change the drive letter. Interestingly, this has also become a feature in system commander.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:21:11 ] <bluesky> I'm just writing this off the top of my head and have sort of run out of things to say. Any questions?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:21:42 ] * Rhunter does
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:21:56 ] <Abraxas> The floor is now open to questions ... one at a time, please
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:21:58 ] <freiheit> Okay, the floor is now open for questions :) No pushing or shoving or cutting in line. :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:22:04 ] <mandie> bluesky: could you tell us a bit about the features of Power Boot?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:22:13 ] <Rhunter> can you tell me exactly what the product does?? since i have not heard of it before
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:22:25 ] <lardog> same here
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:24:23 ] <bluesky> Power Boot allows you to boot from different partitions on different HDs in your system. This assumes that you have an OS in the partitions you want to boot from.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:24:53 ] <bluesky> For example, you have have Windows on one hard drive, and OS/2 on another hard drive and you can boot between them.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:25:05 ] * Rhunter wants to know how this product would help me since i already have system commander installed
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:25:37 ] <bluesky> The main difference between Power Boot and Boot Manager is that PB does not occupy a partition entry and you don't have to repartition the system to install it.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:26:02 ] <lardog> cool feature
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:26:06 ] <mandie> where does it sit?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:26:06 ] <Rat-7> bluesky: Is it nessarry to un-install PowerBoot to install Win95/98 like the OS/2 BootManager ?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:26:33 ] <trixer> how about non-LBA drives? Some unices require normal mode, is that an issue?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:26:33 ] <mandie> duh! on the existing partition :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:26:42 ] <bluesky> The differences between PB and SC are 1) no multiFAT (multiple OSes on one FAT partition) and 2)slightly simpler user interface
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:27:15 ] <Rhunter> what base os does it need to work??
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:27:25 ] <bluesky> PB sits in the master boot record like System Commander, EZDrive, Disk manager and some computer viruses...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:28:27 ] <mandie> what file systems does it support
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:28:30 ] <bluesky> Power Boot uses the BIOS to access the drive(s) and as long as the bios can access the drive, Power Boot will be able to do so. Unices we have tested with are the free ones and the SCO Unices.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:28:53 ] <Rhunter> will it work with linux?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:29:09 ] <trixer> Rhunter: Linux == free :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:29:32 ] <Rhunter> thx for clearing that up:)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:29:49 ] <bluesky> Power Boot is filesystem independant since it does not leave files in any partition unlike System Commander. This means that you can have a uniquely HPFS system plus maybe a Linux filesystem and you don't need a FAT partition just for the multiboot software. I guess this is the other difference from System Commander.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:30:23 ] <freiheit> A much better difference :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:30:44 ] <Rat-7> bluesky: Is it nessarry to un-install PowerBoot to install Win95/98 like the OS/2 BootManager ?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:31:52 ] <bluesky> Well, if you are installing Win9x on your first drive, Win9x will overwrite the MBR and you will have to reinstall PB after install Win9x. If you install Win9x on the SECOND/Third... drive, then you don't need to reinstall PB.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:31:53 ] <Abraxas> bluesky Maybe you could explain the option to "Install OEM Operating System" in PB
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:32:41 ] <Rat-7> bluesky: Thanks
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:32:56 ] <os2r> re
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:33:12 ] <bluesky> Install OEM OS simply means that we hide the other partitions and make the target partition active. This is actually intended for people who have OEM versions of Windows 95, especially OSR2. These version will REFUSE to install if they detect another OS in the system.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:34:43 ] <os2hq> bluesky: But the workaround to that is simple: rename Win.com.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:34:58 ] <trixer> will there or could there be an option to rebuild the MBR if it gets corrupted? This might be a nice feature
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:35:30 ] <bluesky> If memory serves, I have tried renaming Win.com and that did not work. At least not when I was doing it.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:35:42 ] <madodel> That brings me to a problem I have. I have Warp 4 and NT installed in primary partitions on this machine. Nt boots fine, but Warp gets it's drive letters mixed up unless I use Powerboot to hide the NT partition. With BM I don't have to hide anything.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:36:13 ] <bluesky> Installing Power Boot will save a copy of the MBR. So to restore a corrupted MBR, just uninstall Power Boot! Of course, you'll have to keep the back up copy on a diskette somewhere safe.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:36:20 ] <lardog> I have 3 primary partitions now, hiding from each other, plus Warp offers the popup menu to boot directly to other partitions bypassing Boot Manager. Would I still benefit anything by changing to PB?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:37:28 ] <bluesky> madodel : The problem with NTFS and HPFS is that they use the same partition ID : 7, hence the problem you're seeing. The best solution is what you're doing now : hiding the partition you don't want.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:37:57 ] <madodel> Actually I have NT in FAT, it's not used much at all.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:37:58 ] <os2hq> bluesky: Here's a good one for you. BootMan can't keep a drive letter hidden if you load that partition with DriveImage. Can Powerboot maintain a hidden primary partition in that same state, even if DriveImage reloads it?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:38:08 ] <bluesky> lardog : if it ain't broke....
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:38:22 ] <lardog> thank you !
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:38:28 ] <lardog> lol
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:38:55 ] <bluesky> madodel : actually, with FAT, OS/2 will always see the FAT partition. I don't know if you can disable the file system types OS/2 can see or not. If so, that might be a better solution.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:39:24 ] <madodel> lardog: It will give you a fourth primary partition if you need one on that drive by freeing up the one used by BM.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:39:59 ] <Projects> wooo... I can gain a whole 2mb parition! :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:40:03 ] <bluesky> os2hq : I've not played with driveimage and don't know what will happen PB.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:40:55 ] <bluesky> projects : well, you can install another OS and multiboot without having to repartition just in order to install BM.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:41:25 ] <Agios> Projects, some OS's require a primary partition, you gain another option :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:42:13 ] <Projects> Agios: my BM boots only OS/2 partitions anyway :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:42:36 ] <Projects> but it's nice to be able to have that choice if one needed it
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:42:40 ] <madodel> Projects: You'd have a place to put Aurora. :-)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:42:56 ] <Projects> madodel: hehehe
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:43:02 ] <trixer> will Rhapsody be tested with PB?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:43:22 ] <trixer> oops
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:43:26 ] <trixer> BeOS
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:43:50 ] <bluesky> When/if we get a copy of it. Or if we can find someone to test with it. BeOS works fine with PB. Since its boot code is based on Lilo, it's easy to work with.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:44:08 ] <marv> bluesky : why won't PB see the entended partitions on my second drive?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:45:37 ] <bluesky> I'll check on that.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:48:09 ] <freiheit> Question: When installing OS/2 to a second partition (not first primary on the first drive) it requires Boot Manager to be installed...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:48:29 ] <freiheit> is there any possibility of PowerBoot "faking" BM so OS/2 will install without BM?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:48:41 ] <freiheit> or is that the OEM Install thing?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:09 ] <Agios> ooops :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:20 ] <Agios> bring in the dancing girls
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:20 ] <mandie> bummer :(
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:26 ] <SunnyBear> doin a traceroute now...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:33 ] <mandie> hehe
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:41 ] <Rhunter> gee, agios didnt know you could dance with them:))
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:50 ] * freiheit forgot his costume, sorry Agios
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:54 ] <freiheit> oh wait...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:57 ] <trixer> got to him
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:58 ] <Recusant> Regarding an earlier comment -- when Boot Manager hides my FAT drives, they remain hidden.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:58 ] <Agios> Rhunter, I was just going to watch :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:52:58 ] <Recusant> >
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:53:13 ] <trixer> 14 hops via a traceroute
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:53:39 ] <Recusant> I don't know anything about how drive image does it, but boot manager just adds 16 I think to the partition type (06h -> 16h, 07h -> 17h, etc)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:54:19 ] <Agios> Recusant, CORRECT
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:54:25 ] <Agios> ack, caps lock
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:54:43 ] <trixer> hmmm
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:55:11 ] <Recusant> " madodel : actually, with FAT, OS/2 will always see the FAT partition. I don't know if you can disable the file system types OS/2 can see or not. If so, that might be a better solution." <- is that what this is about?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:56:23 ] <trixer> here he comes
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:56:37 ] <freiheit> Ahh, welcome back bluesky--IRC is a fickle beast at times
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:56:49 ] <bluesky> What happened?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:56:50 ] <trixer> bluesky: evidently netcom burped
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:56:50 ] <SunnyBear> bluesky: you pinged out
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:57:11 ] <Projects> bluesky: ping timeout
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:57:12 ] * bluesky rubbing head
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:57:21 ] <bluesky> Where were we?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:58:49 ] <SunnyBear> [20:48] Question: When installing OS/2 to a second partition (not first primary on the first drive) it requires Boot Manager to be installed...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:58:55 ] <freiheit> thank you :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 17:59:53 ] <SunnyBear> [20:48] is there any possibility of PowerBoot "faking" BM so OS/2 will install without BM?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:00:01 ] <SunnyBear> [20:48] or is that the OEM Install thing?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:00:08 ] <SunnyBear> in a nutshell
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:01:20 ] <SunnyBear> I'm getting no ping reply from bluesky
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:01:30 ] <freiheit> :(
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:01:45 ] <freiheit> this has not been a good first IRC experience for him
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:01:47 ] <PoohBear-> and there he goes.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:01:58 ] <trixer> hmmm
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:02:03 ] <trixer> where is he now?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:02:04 ] <SunnyBear> his trace is showing a high ms on his hop... his machine
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:02:18 ] <Rhunter> freiheit..true but it might get better now:))
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:02:20 ] <trixer> in california?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:02:41 ] <lardog> must be ruuning microsoft stuff.......sorry could not resist
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:02:59 ] <Projects> hehe
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:03:08 ] <os2hq> microsoft? who's that?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:03:13 ] <os2hq> ;)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:03:30 ] <mandie> we won't even go there :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:03:33 ] <trixer> Microsoft can't *handle* the rodeo burger!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:03:34 ] * trixer ducks
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:03:43 ] <lardog> ok, I go stand in corner
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:03:44 ] <os2hq> lol
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:03:51 ] <PoohBear-> ROFLMAO
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:03:53 ] <Projects> hahahaha
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:04:02 ] <MickBrown> lardog: MS pulled the staff on NT SP4 to work on NT5 beta... so the NT winsock2 stack is broken until they have NT5
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:04:21 ] <SunnyBear> ok bluesky, shut everything down but your irc client... ;)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:04:29 ] <os2hq> ugh.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:04:32 ] <trixer> bluesky: what City/State are you located in now?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:04:32 ] <lardog> my stomach hurts from laughing so hard
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:04:34 ] <PoohBear-> ... and your dialer.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:04:56 ] <os2hq> heh.... multitasking MS-style: a Web client AND a dialer.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:08 ] <bluesky> Looks like the Net's overcrowded with everyone wanting tuning in for info on Clinton.... wife's theory. Hence the disconnects.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:14 ] <os2hq> ah.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:24 ] <bluesky> Bluesky Innovations LLC is at San Jose, California.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:40 ] <os2hq> btw, what is LLC?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:45 ] <SunnyBear> all those cablemodems competing with cable viewers, eh?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:45 ] <trixer> bluesky: irc.wa2.webbnet.org might be closer to you
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:53 ] <PoohBear-> bluesky: ya can try moving to my server, irc.wa2.webbnet.org
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:54 ] <SunnyBear> not enough room on the couch..
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:55 ] <Projects> forgive my ignorance, but what does LLC stand for?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:55 ] <Recusant> Limited Liability Corporation == LLC
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:56 ] <PoohBear-> os2hq: Limited Liability Corp.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:05:59 ] <Rhunter> well blue....it will be an interesting press conference:))
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:06:27 ] <bluesky> LLC is like a corp except there're some tax advantages.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:06:56 ] <os2hq> ah. thx
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:07:48 ] <bluesky> If I'm still online, I'd like to say that registered users will get the latest updates this week.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:07:52 ] * os2hq was baffled by a Nashville co. calling itself "The Snack Shop LLC"
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:08:02 ] <Swanee> Does PB use a menu at startup to choose partitions or does it default to the last used and have a key combination to call it.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:08:04 ] <SunnyBear> bluesky: yer here... :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:08:15 ] <trixer> bluesky: great...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:08:35 ] <bluesky> PB has a startup menu but the default boot partition is the last one booted from.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:09:38 ] <Swanee> Is there a limit to the number of partitions PB can set up?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:09:51 ] <Projects> bluesky: a question you don't want to hear :) What if someone installs PB, then decides they don't want it any longer? Can it be uninstalled?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:09:55 ] <Recusant> regarding hiding partitions from earlier -- OS/2's Boot Manager simply adds 16 to the type ID of the part. and that has always been successful at hiding FAT drives for me -- is this what was being discussed or am I off in la la land?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:10:13 ] <Alf> I have Win 98 and Warp 4 - BM always defaults to Warp. my son has to select Win98 i he wants to use it. I like it this way!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:11:51 ] <SunnyBear> he's gonna ping out again..
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:12:07 ] <Rhunter> later all..dinner calls
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:12:10 ] <mandie> hope he c/p the server you mentioned
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:12:17 ] <mandie> rhunter: thx for coming tonight
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:12:18 ] <os2hq> Yep, time to go here too. Bye all.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:12:42 ] <Agios> I have no place to go so I guess I'll stick around :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:12:50 ] <bluesky6> I'm back again.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:12:56 ] <mandie> agios: :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:13:03 ] <Projects> Agios: hehe... that's a life :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:13:04 ] <lardog> If I'm in win95 (don't ask why) and want to boot to Warp 4 (the real thing), what is the procedure, menu choice in a popup?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:13:12 ] <Recusant> bluesky6: " madodel : actually, with FAT, OS/2 will always see the FAT partition. I don't know if you can disable the file system types OS/2 can see or not. If so, that might be a better solution." <- is that what this is about?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:13:14 ] <mandie> yep, wa2 it is
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:13:21 ] <Swanee> bluesky6: Did you get the last questions?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:13:30 ] <Recusant> regarding hiding partitions from earlier -- OS/2's Boot Manager simply adds 16 to the type ID of the part. and that has always been successful at hiding FAT drives for me
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:14:00 ] <bluesky6> lardog : reboot and when the PB screen pops up, select the Warp partition.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:14:18 ] <lardog> ok, same as BM
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:14:21 ] <lardog> thanks
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:14:31 ] <bluesky6> hiding partitions : we use the same method as BM.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:15:00 ] <Recusant> bluesky: Can you hide partitions on other DRIVES, too? That's the one major thing about BM that has always bugged me.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:15:20 ] <WildBoar> bluesky: can you install OS/2 using PB, without installing BM?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:15:35 ] <bluesky6> Yes we can hide partitions in any drive your BIOS sees.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:15:39 ] <MADodel0> bluesky6: but when I select a primar partiton using BM it automatically hides all the other primary partitions. In PB I have to do this manually.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:15:54 ] <Rat-7> Recusant: why hiding parttions other than those with another OS ?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:16:21 ] <bluesky6> wildboar : no.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:16:35 ] <Recusant> Rat-7: I have a way to install Win95 on a primary partition on the second drive, but it requires a few things that Boot Manager just doesn't appriciate.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:16:51 ] <WildBoar> bluesky: any plans on making that possible? or do we just have to install BM and then disable it?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:16:57 ] <Recusant> I would never reduce myself to allowing Win95 on my nice 1st drive.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:17:04 ] <Rat-7> Recusant: I see ! :-)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:17:26 ] <bluesky6> MADodel0 : One of the things we'll add to PB in the future is a way to select the config you want for different boot scenarios.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:17:27 ] <WildBoar> rec: my first drive is my slowest drive, it's for dos/win95... my second (fastest) drive has OS/2 on it :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:17:46 ] * Projects wouldn't reduce himself to allowing win95/98 in this house anymore
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:18:01 ] <Recusant> WildBoar: My first, fastest, biggest drive has OS/2. The rest fall into place wherever. ;-)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:18:27 ] <bluesky6> Recusant : PB allows installing Win95 on a second drive using our DOS swap feature.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:18:40 ] <MADodel0> bluesky6: When can we expect the next release of PB?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:18:42 ] <Recusant> excellent!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:18:44 ] <PoohBear-> Projects: ok, so put a drive outside.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:18:45 ] <WildBoar> bluesky: what are the side effects of that?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:18:55 ] <WildBoar> bluesky: and how does the drive mapping go?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:18:58 ] <Projects> PoohBear: heh... even that's too close :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:19:04 ] <Agios> bluesky6, percentage wise, how do your sales break down by operating system?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:19:48 ] <PoohBear-> ouch. gremlins got him again, I think.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:20:13 ] <Projects> :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:20:47 ] <WildBoar> someone needs to DCC chat him :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:21:01 ] <SunnyBear> sure glad our uplink isn't netcom...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:21:20 ] <mandie> me too!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:21:20 ] <trixer> :>
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:21:46 ] <PoohBear-> WildBoar: we *almost had the same effect this time.. his path was Netcom->PNAP->my ISP->ME->Webbnet.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:22:24 ] <PoohBear-> it's within netcom cause all other points are working to and from me.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:22:43 ] <trixer> perhaps he needs a signal amplifier
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:22:48 ] <bluesky> Here I am again.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:23:03 ] <bluesky> I've got 5 minutes before I have to run off.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:23:09 ] <Agios> bluesky6, percentage wise, how do your sales break down by operating system?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:23:34 ] <bluesky> To answer the question on next PB version, we'll be starting work soon and you can count two months from there.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:25:31 ] <bluesky> We don't ask customers for which OSes they use. I'd think that OS/2 users form a large part of the user base because we have more exposure via newsgroups, other users, BMT Micro etc.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:26:02 ] <bluesky> Any other questions?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:26:14 ] <trixer> will you approach hard-drive manufacturers and propose a license?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:26:20 ] <Abraxas> bluesky we're going to ask a Trivia Question
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:26:25 ] <Agios> what is your installed base?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:26:46 ] <Abraxas> First correct answer wins a free license to Power Boot
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:27:09 ] <mandie> BOD excluded :(
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:27:23 ] <bluesky> trixer : we've licensed PB technology to other people and they may be approaching the HD companies.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:27:25 ] <Projects> :((
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:27:35 ] <Abraxas> Correct, mandie .. everyone EXCEPT VOICE BoD members eligible
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:27:36 ] <Projects> we never get the good stuff
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:27:38 ] <Projects> :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:27:44 ] <trixer> bluesky: awesome!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:27:45 ] <mandie> :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:27:55 ] * Projects resigns
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:27:58 ] <Projects> :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:28:01 ] <SunnyBear> hahahah
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:28:03 ] <PoohBear-> Abraxas: and I'd hope the author would be excluded as well
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:28:04 ] * Swanee too...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:28:10 ] <Projects> hehehehe
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:28:13 ] * trixer 3
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:28:18 ] <lardog> Thank you Benedict Chong for your info and OS/2 support
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:29:20 ] <mandie> Benedict, VOICE would like to thank you for being our guest tonight and for the contribution of a license to Power Boot. Thank you for supporting the OS/2 community!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:29:38 ] <SunnyBear> no reply mandie
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:29:48 ] <Abraxas> Trivia Time:
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:29:50 ] <Swanee> Thanks Benedict. Great job!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:29:51 ] <mandie> day late and a $ short
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:29:58 ] <Abraxas> Everyone ready?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:07 ] <SunnyBear> he's gonna ping out again
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:12 ] <Swanee> They look ready Abraxas
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:15 ] <WildBoar> sure
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:21 ] <lardog> :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:24 ] <marv> ready
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:26 ] <mandie> ask already :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:29 ] <madodel> OK What was the original name of the IBM Works suite included with Warp 3.0?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:35 ] <Abraxas> First correct answer in channel wins
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:37 ] <Recusant> Footprint WOrks
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:40 ] <PoohBear-> ... well... maybe we should setup a special account on a national ISP for the Guests. :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:41 ] <WildBoar> IBM Works?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:46 ] <mandie> recusant wins
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:50 ] <Recusant> WOO HOO!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:51 ] <freiheit> Well, he'll be able to see the result of the contest in the log when it's posted to the VOICE website
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:56 ] <Swanee> Recusant: Congrats!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:30:58 ] <Projects> that was fast
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:02 ] <SunnyBear> congrat Recusant
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:03 ] <trixer> awwwwww
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:04 ] <mandie> Congrats Recusant :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:07 ] <WildBoar> darn, rec gets all the good stuff :p
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:11 ] <madodel> Wow that was fast. How'd you know that recusant?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:12 ] <mandie> hehe
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:13 ] <trixer> I thought it was finger-print works
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:14 ] <trixer> :/
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:17 ] <Recusant> It's funny -- I only knew because I decided to investigate all the occurances of "fp" in it.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:19 ] <lardog> cool
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:26 ] <Agios> first question he has answered correctly all day too
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:32 ] <WildBoar> haha
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:33 ] <SunnyBear> hahahah
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:33 ] <Recusant> LOL
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:35 ] <trixer> bwahahaha
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:36 ] <Projects> hahahaha
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:42 ] <trixer> whoa!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:43 ] <mandie> LOL
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:47 ] <trixer> Agios did a funny
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:53 ] <Recusant> why is everybody picking on me? :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:55 ] <madodel> you weren't tapping the ops channel were you?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:31:56 ] <trixer> will wonders never cease
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:04 ] <lardog> Recusant:
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:05 ] <mandie> Recusant=Charley Brown :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:10 ] * PoohBear- did a whole bunch of research on Rexx the other day.. darn, wish the question was on rexx.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:14 ] <WildBoar> rec: 'cus we're all jealous :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:18 ] <Abraxas> Recusant everyone picks on the winner ... just ask Jeff Gordon
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:21 ] <Swanee> mandie: Same thought... :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:21 ] <Recusant> WildBoar: Oh, Right. :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:27 ] <mandie> swanee :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:31 ] * WildBoar steals rec's prize, and runs away
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:34 ] <SunnyBear> an NASCAR fan...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:36 ] <SunnyBear> -n
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:37 ] <mandie> wildboar: stand in line!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:39 ] * Recusant runs after WildBoar
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:48 ] * Projects goes wildboar hunting
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:52 ] * trixer trips recusant
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:53 ] <mandie> Sunny: Hubby is a nascar fan also
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:32:58 ] <Recusant> See, it's NOT all useless knowledge. You might USE it someday!
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:33:04 ] <lardog> This has been REAL nice......goodnight all
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:33:15 ] <Abraxas> SunnyBear you know why Jeff Gordon never hits the wall?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:33:16 ] <WildBoar> hehe
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:33:20 ] <SunnyBear> mandie: tell him we smell fumes during race week..
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:33:25 ] * mandie whispers in Rucusant's ear I WANT THE PRIZE..shhh :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:33:27 ] <freiheit> The log of tonight's session will be up on the VOICE website by sometime tomorrow :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:33:37 ] <MickBrown> The problem with lost packets causing IRC timeouts is independent of the originating ISP... I've had occasions when ssprint/ibm/concentric & PSI PoPs all failed to reach irc.webbnet.org
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:33:43 ] <freiheit> Thank you all for coming and we'll thank bluesky again as soon as we see him
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:33:43 ] <SunnyBear> Abraxas: cuz Dale has bad aim?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:34:00 ] <Abraxas> SunnyBear Because it doesn't have a number painted on it :-)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:34:06 ] <bluesky> It's not my day.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:34:08 ] <SunnyBear> ROFL
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:34:10 ] <trixer> muahahahaha
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:34:21 ] <Projects> bluesky: Recusant is your winner
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:34:29 ] <Recusant> I'm a winner! :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:34:34 ] <SunnyBear> bluesky: qwik... thanks for coming...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:34:55 ] <bluesky> What's your email, so I can send you the s/w?
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:34:58 ] <PoohBear-> bluesky: as far as I can tell, the gremlins are all over netcom..
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:35:04 ] * trixer would like to thank all the people for coming to WEBBnet and supporting our efforts and we hope to see more of you and more permanent channels :)
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:35:10 ] <trixer> we even
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:35:11 ] <madodel> hehehehehe
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:35:24 ] <Projects> hehehe
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:35:55 ] <snowjob> G'night all - been very interesting.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:35:59 ] <MickBrown> I id several traces to bluesky's PoP from concentric (MCI routes) and his times were fine
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:36:19 ] <MickBrown> and there was no packetloss
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:36:39 ] <bluesky> Must be Win95. I had some delays connecting to irc.webbnet.org too. Anyway...
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:36:49 ] <madodel> Ah that explains it.
[ 08-17-98 ] [ 18:36:51 ] <PoohBear-> MickBrown: I'm direct to netcom past my ISP (and direct to anyone else for that matter, ahh, multihoming...) - it was a beautiful thing here, up until his box.