VOICE - General Meeting for 2003-12-06

15:12:47 <WalterOS2> This meeting of VOICE is now in session.
<WalterOS2> Once again, we can get started. :-)
<WalterOS2> Has everyone read the agenda.?
* eCSNL lost the link to agenda
<MADodel> http://www.os2voice.org/agendas/voice_2003-12-06.html
<WalterOS2> Once again, we don't have a Treasurer's report--or an active Treasure. :-(
<eCSNL> Wieeeeep
* eCSNL hits the quiz buzzer
<eCSNL> Wrong answer :-)
<eCSNL> Is there no old business
<eCSNL> point A
<WalterOS2> Apparently he changed his phone number. I called the new number, got a lady who knew who I was talking about, and said she'd get him to return my call.
<WalterOS2> That was last night, and I haven't heard from.
<WalterOS2> eCSNL: I can't print my agenda or read it properly, so I'm sort of winging it.
<KenKrchnr> Well, when I moved the mail stuff back to voice1, I did notice that *someone* has been picking up mail to "Treasurer".
<MADodel> Did she say if he was working?
<WalterOS2> The material will get covered, just not very formally. :-)
<WalterOS2> Mark: No.
<WalterOS2> Roderick: I think your database will have the old number.
<WalterOS2> I guess we should start calling the new number various times of the day.
<WalterOS2> Ken: I'm glad someone's there. I wonder why if can pick up email, he can't email us back?
<KenKrchnr> Well, could be he's not actually reading the mail. Could just be his client polling and retrieving.
<WalterOS2> Ken: That's probably what's happening.
<WalterOS2> FYI: There is an updated copy of the agenda available at the same URL.
<WalterOS2> Now, maybe I can think. :-)
<WalterOS2> Next on the agenda is the Warpdoctor report, but Doug isn't here, so we'll skip that for now.
<WalterOS2> I can say that we're very close to getting the engine working. Doug got a few browser compatibility bugs to work out/around
<WalterOS2> , and we're working with a Netlabs developer to fix a bug in XPager, the virtual desktop feature in xWorkplace.
<WalterOS2> Since ePager is standard in 1.1, that's sort of important.
<WalterOS2> Right now when the warpdoctor plugin is loaded, you can't switch to other desktops, so it isn't a disastrous problem, just very inconvenient.
<eCSNL> WalterOS2
<eCSNL> you are talking to Bart van Leeuwen about this ?
<WalterOS2> The next item is the new VOICE2 server. Ken, would you please report on how that's going?
<KenKrchnr> We had everything on voice2, till yesterday
<KenKrchnr> On Thursday for some reason the smtp inbound stuff started farkling
<WalterOS2> Is farkling the technical term? :-)
<MADodel> hehehe
<KenKrchnr> Some connections were being dropped, while some others came thru.
<KenKrchnr> Everything was going out ok, and pop3 connections were fine.
<WalterOS2> Isn't SMTP inbound rather rare?
<KenKrchnr> After I cleared it, things worked OK, then Friday morning the same thing occurred.
<KenKrchnr> No, everything comes in smtp.
<eCSNL> Which mail server are you
<eCSNL> using
<eCSNL> ?
<KenKrchnr> Weasel, but I don't think it's a Weasel problem.
<Rat-Salad> hello
<WalterOS2> Hi Jeremy!
<Rat-Salad> band practice just ended
<MADodel> the Rat woke up
<KenKrchnr> I had restarted Weasel and Major on Thursday, but that didn't solve the problem.
<KenKrchnr> Only when I restarted the firewall did the problem clear.
<KenKrchnr> On Friday, I didn't restart Weasel, just the firewall, and it was OK again.
<KenKrchnr> But as I was *supposed* to be on my way to vacation today, I didn't want to leave a possible problem, so I moved mail back to voice1 'till I get back and find out what was causing the problem.
<WalterOS2> So now we're using VOICE1 as a backup/mirror, which was the plan almost from the beginning.
<KenKrchnr> Strangely, everything else was continuing to work just fine, only inbound smtp, and even there it was sporadic.
<WalterOS2> Nice to HAVE a backup system. :-)
<MADodel> Is the version of Weasel on VOICE1 now the same as the one on VOICE2?
<KenKrchnr> No, voice2 is newer, as is Major.
<MADodel> Is there a plan to synch up the software versions?
<KenKrchnr> But as I said, I'm not ready to blame Weasel.
<Rat-Salad> I notice error fetching mail a few times... then just problems sending mail lately
<Rat-Salad> it'll work out I think
<KenKrchnr> I want to be sure all works on voice2 for any service for at least a month before changing anything on voice1.
<MADodel> OK
<WalterOS2> Makes sense.
<MADodel> Are the mailing list subscribers the same in Major on both systems?
<KenKrchnr> All web pages are now on voice2 (although voice1 is still getting some hits, mostly spiders, some warpstock)
<MADodel> Warpstock should be completely moved to VOICE2 now, unless some people have the old IP cached
<KenKrchnr> Yes, before I sent mail functions back to voice1, I updated the mAJOR LISTS.
<KenKrchnr> Major lists that should be.
<MADodel> The warpstock.org DNS were changed over a week ago
<Rat-Salad> the thing is.. the only way to test the mail is to actively use it :)
<WalterOS2> Ken: Is a VOICE2 server?
<KenKrchnr> The hits may still be from web bots, most of the non warpstock ones were for sure.
<KenKrchnr> Not an ip I know of.
<WalterOS2> It's what I got when I did a HOST ftp.voice.org.
<KenKrchnr> Ummm, try host os2voice.org ;-)
<WalterOS2> Oops!
<KenKrchnr> I also fixed the problem of the hung sockets with Apache.
<WalterOS2> How's that?
<KenKrchnr> Nope, you need
<KenKrchnr> host ftp.os2voice.org
<KenKrchnr> voice2.os2voice.org =
<WalterOS2> I don't know what's going on. :(
<WalterOS2> The IP's I was giving were the ones I use to upload the logs and agenda via ftp.
<WalterOS2> But now, they agree with the ones you're specifying.
<KenKrchnr> Hang on a sec -
<WalterOS2> Oh Well.
<KenKrchnr> I don't find any ftp server at that address.
<KenKrchnr> at any rate, the Apache problem turned out to be some interaction with MPTS ver 6.3001
<WalterOS2> The ftp is going to www.os2voice.org and to ftp.warpdoctor.org
<WalterOS2> Depending on the meeting.
<WalterOS2> Should I change something?
<KenKrchnr> Check that, 6.3100. I backleveled to 6.3001 and the problem went away.
<MADodel> I always use just os2voice.rg for FTP access.
<MADodel> err, os2voice.org that should be.
<WalterOS2> rg?
<KenKrchnr> They all resolve to the same address, any should work.
<WalterOS2> OK, maybe I should standardize the addresses. Let me think about it.
<WalterOS2> I'm talking about HPP and EmTec.
<WalterOS2> Anyway, enough about me. :-)
<WalterOS2> Ken, do you have anything else?
<KenKrchnr> I think we've covered it. More when I get back and check the smtp problem.
<WalterOS2> OK, thanks.
<WalterOS2> BTW, I'm really pleased with the way the conversion went. Thanks to Ken and Jeremy's efforts, the conversion went with only a couple of hiccups. I'll bet most users didn't realize we have change. :-)
<WalterOS2> er..changed.
<MADodel> It did go well, especially in light of the circumstances
<WalterOS2> The next item, I was going to present as a news-only item. However, as I look at who's here, you all know what's going on anyway. If you don't, check your admin mailing list. That's all I'm going to say.
<WalterOS2> Item 5. is one I put on my wish-list. :-)
<WalterOS2> I've always been proud of the VNL as being the best newsletter in the OS/2 Community. Then we decided to make a German version, and that made it even better.
<WalterOS2> Now, looking at the amount of activity going on in Russia, I got to thinking, wouldn't be great if we could have a Russian version as well?
<WalterOS2> Any comments, excep Mark. Just kidding.
* MADodel will stay quiet on that one.
<Rat-Salad> sorry Walter
* Rat-Salad doesn't speak Russian
<MADodel> Actually we entertained that idea a while ago, but the German issue was taking up a lot of time, so it was dropped. If that did happen the lead tme for an issue would most likely increase to two months from the current one month.
<WalterOS2> Clearly if it were to happen, Russians would have to be heavily involved it, because I'll bet no one's Russian is any better than mine.
<Rat-Salad> but you're right.. there does seem to be a lot of development activity going on in Russia and that general part of the world
<MADodel> We'd also need a team of dedicated Russian/English/German speakers.
<WalterOS2> It's unbelievable.
<MADodel> Does anyone know any Russians well enough to ask about this?
<WalterOS2> I don't expect it to happen tomorrow, but it's nice to start thinking about it.
<MADodel> Though I should add that Christian should be consulted before anything is put into action.
<WalterOS2> Mark, why do you think the lead time would have to increase to two months?
<WalterOS2> Obviously, Christian should be consulted.
<WalterOS2> It would be nice if we could persuade him to come to more of these meetings. :-)
<MADodel> Because before we had the German issue, we were doing two weeks and sometimes making changes the day of release. That stopped with the German issue.
<MADodel> Content editing takes a few days, or more depending on the article, then the translation team requires a couple of weeks at least to do all the artcles.
<MADodel> Add another translation process to the mix and I'd say a minimum lead time of two months.
<WalterOS2> Well, I can see it taking longer, anyway.
<WalterOS2> Perhaps they could have staggered release dates.
<MADodel> That would be helpful. right now both issues are released together.
<WalterOS2> Anyway, those are details we can go into more when we get closer to doing it. :-)
<MADodel> PArt of that is because its not all English to German. Often German articles are translated to English.
<MADodel> I would assume the same would apply to a Russion issue
<WalterOS2> I can see that.
<WalterOS2> I would imagine there would be Russians with a lot to contribute.
<MADodel> If everything were done first in one language then the rest could be done later. But in practise it doesn't work out that way.
<WalterOS2> Just take a look at the Russian OS/2 web site. :-)
<WalterOS2> OK, I see your point more clearly now.
<MADodel> So you have a Russian article that needs to be translated to English and German. It certainly complicates things.
<WalterOS2> :-)
<WalterOS2> There are already Russians who translate news from English (and I guess German) for the web site.
<WalterOS2> The URL for anyone interested is http://www.os2.ru/index.phtml.en
<WalterOS2> That's all I have for today.
<WalterOS2> Anyone else have anything they want us to discuss?
<MADodel> no
<WalterOS2> That was for Roderick.
<WalterOS2> :-)
<WalterOS2> Hi Chrissy
<WalterOS2> If there isn't anything else, then I'll call for a motion to adjourn.
<WalterOS2> Anyone want to make the motion?
<Chrissy> hey
<KenKrchnr> Motion to adjourn
<WalterOS2> All in favour of adjourning the meeting, please type Aye.
<KenKrchnr> Aye
<MADodel> aye
<eCSNL> Aye
<WalterOS2> Motion is carried.
16:31:22 <WalterOS2> Meeting is adjourned.