| <freiheit> | Hmm, I just downloaded those "difficult images" that were mentioned in the PMView mailing list -- Oddly I'd never seen them mentioned on the site -- and one of them shows with an error marker in v2. :b |
| <freiheit> | I suppose that would qualify for making it difficult. |
| <Peter> | Text.tif is corrupt. However, PMView v1.x fails to report it. v2.0 does it correctly... |
| <freiheit> | Ahh. |
| <Peter> | And v2.0 pads the corrupt (=missing in this case) lines with a single color. v1.x probably pats it with "noise" |
| <Peter> | FWIW, there is a link to the image on the site. "Test the quality of your current viewer..." |
| <freiheit> | Ohhhh! |
| <freiheit> | I do remember seeing that. But since my current viewer was PMView, I never thought to look further. :) |
| <Sector> | Hello Rumple |
| <Rumple> | g'day Sector |
| <Sector> | Hi SteveS |
| <SteveS> | Hi all. |
| <freiheit> | Anyone have a digital camera they'll lend me for about an hour? :b |
| * | freiheit needs to put some stuff on Ebay that won't fit on his scanner. * |
| <Sector> | Sorry don't got one |
| <Sector> | If I did I might loan it to you if you promised not to point it at yourself... |
| <freiheit> | Heheh, no problem there. |
| * | Sector wouldn't want to break it... * |
| <freiheit> | Yeah, I gotcha. |
| <freiheit> | :) |
| * | freiheit chants, "PMView! PMView! For BeOS! PMView!" * |
| <freiheit> | }:) |
| * | freiheit is shameless. * |
| <Sector> | Oh well |
| <freiheit> | Hello |Chrissy|. |
| <Sector> | wb |Chrissy| |
| <|Chrissy|> | hey |
| <Mr-Data> | hello |
| <Sector> | Hello Mr-Data |
| <Sector> | Hi Smaze |
| <Smaze> | hey Sector |
| * | Sector thinks it's starting to get crowded in here * |
| <freiheit> | Hi there Mr-Data, Smaze. |
| <Smaze> | hi freiheit |
| <Mr-Data> | hi freiheit |
| <Mr-Data> | isn't there supposed to be an early speakup tonight? |
| <Sector> | Yup |
| <Sector> | *** The topic for #voice is: SpeakUp Tonight!! PMView! 7pm EST 4pm PST |
| * | freiheit looks at his clock. 4:06. * |
| <freiheit> | :) |
| <Sector> | Can't start yet, mandie's not here |
| <freiheit> | Mandie!!!! |
| <freiheit> | Where are youuuu?? |
| <Abraxas> | Well, I don't know (for sure) what time it is in Finland ... buT I'd say we can start whenever Peter is Ready |
| <Peter> | It's 2:08 AM here :-) I'm ready to start any time... |
| <Smaze> | it's 2.10am in Finland.. :) |
| <Sector> | 02:09am |
| <Abraxas> | OK ... then we'll start :-) |
| <Abraxas> | far be it from me to deny anyone sleep :-) |
| <Abraxas> | VOICE, in our continuing effort to bring more information to OS/2 users ... Is happy to be able to host this Speakup session with Peter Nielsen, the author of PMView |
| <freiheit> | ZZZzzzz wha--?! |
| <Abraxas> | Peter ... the room is yours :-) |
| <Peter> | Thanks! |
| <Peter> | Well, I guess all of you here knows who I am (if not, please ask ;-) |
| <Peter> | I guess it's best if you start by asking me all questions you may have... |
| <Peter> | PMView v2.0 is ready for release. Right now it is up to BMT MIcro |
| <freiheit> | Well the big question I think is: How long before the new registration system is up and running? |
| <freiheit> | heheh, Okay nevermind the question. :b |
| <Peter> | It shouldn't take too long. |
| <Abraxas> | Perhaps Peter could tell us all (Registered users) .. how the new registration will work |
| <Peter> | BMT Micro will have a web page where you can upgrade your old v1.x keys |
| <Peter> | There will be three upgrade options: |
| <Peter> | 1. Free upgrade to v2.0 lifetime key |
| <Peter> | 2.Sell your OS/2 key and get a limited WIndows key ($$) |
| <Peter> | 3.Free upgrade to v2.0 lifetime key and buy Windows key at a discounted price |
| <Abraxas> | Any idea on when this will all be available? |
| <Peter> | I have provided BMT the tools they need |
| <Peter> | Unfortunately they are configuring two new servers this week and have hired a db consultant etc.... Bad timing... |
| <Abraxas> | Yeah ... I saw the new "look" to their website a bit earlier |
| <Abraxas> | Am I to understand that anyone who is not already a Registered User of PMView will no longer be able to register a "Lifetime" license? |
| <Peter> | Correct! |
| <Abraxas> | I guess I'm one of the "lucky ones" , then :-) |
| <Peter> | New licenses for OS/2 and all licenses for Windows will only be valid for v2.x |
| <ManfredU> | But it will probably take a while until v3 will be released? |
| <Peter> | The new registration key system allows for buying one key for many systems and also leys us generate multi-user keys (i.e. so that PMView actually *displays* in the About dialog that it is a multi-user license) |
| <Peter> | For instance take this PMView v2.0 serial number: "12345-OOWU200" |
| <Peter> | It it a lifetime OS/2 license *and* a Windows v2.0 license for 200 users |
| <freiheit> | I wish I had 200 users to use PMView. :) |
| * | Sector makes a note of that number... ;> * |
| <Peter> | The new PMView v2.0 keys will consist of three parts: Name, Srial number, And a 34 digit key |
| <freiheit> | I don't think it would do you any good without the registration key that goes with it. :) |
| * | Sector didn't really think it would * |
| <freiheit> | Peter, were there any last minute changes made between the "final beta" and the official release which is now waiting for BMT? |
| <Sector> | Hello jeffk |
| <jeffk> | Hello! |
| <Peter> | freiheit: Yes. |
| * | |Chrissy| has set away! (auto away after idling 15 minutes) .gz. * |
| <Peter> | The priority boost system is not working in the final beta. |
| <freiheit> | Also, to ManfredU's question about how long it might be before v3 is released, are you already working on a feature list for v3 or are you taking a well-deserved rest for a while? |
| <Peter> | No, I'm not yet working on v3. I will start with it as soon as v2.0 is out the door (and I'm taking a rest in the meantime) |
| <Peter> | The first thing to do for v3 is to get rid of the IBM OCL library. |
| <freiheit> | Yes, I recall many discussions in the beta list about OCL. It will be good to see it go. :) |
| <ManfredU> | Whats this? |
| <Peter> | IBM Open Class Library. A user interface cross-platform library made by IBM. Excellent design but with an implementation that sucks big time... |
| <Sector> | Hello Swanee |
| <Sector> | MODE +o Swanee |
| <Swanee> | Hi Sector |
| * | Sector notes Swanee is back to normal * |
| <Peter> | PMView v3 will be available for Linux. |
| * | Swanee is shamed. He "assumed" 8EST rather than 7EST... :-( * |
| <Kick-n-It> | Peter: What are some of the differences between the OS/2 Version and Windows Version? |
| <VoiceBot> | MODE +o Projects |
| <Sector> | MODE +o Projects |
| <Sector> | Hello Projects |
| * | Swanee is early for the wrong time period * |
| <Projects> | hiya Sector |
| <Peter> | Kick-n-it: WIndows doesn't support Extended Attributes. The Windows version consequently only has one thumbnail mode: On-the-fly |
| <Projects> | Swanee LIVES in the wrong time period :) |
| <Abraxas> | As you all should know, by now, the developers of Embellish have "given up" .. and released the last |
| <Abraxas> | version of their app for free ... there was some talk, in the PMView Discussion list, regarding |
| <Abraxas> | incorporating some (or all) of the Embellish code into the next version of PMView .... |
| <Abraxas> | Have you given any thought to this idea? |
| <Peter> | Most of their code is already available in form of open-source Unix apps. |
| <jeffk> | Any plans for supporting animated GIFs? |
| <Peter> | And I doubt DadaWare is going to give away the source code... |
| <Abraxas> | Well .. stranger things have happened :-) |
| <Peter> | I am seriously considering supporting animated GIFs. The problem is that image editing doesn't match well with animation... |
| <jeffk> | You could at least be able to select a frame# to load and edit.... |
| <Peter> | You can do that in PMView v1.x (not edit, but load a frame) |
| <jeffk> | With an option to have the change reflected in all frames. |
| <Peter> | Yes. However, what most users want is the ability to *display* animated GIFs |
| <Peter> | Editing multi-page formats will definitely be available in a future version. |
| <jeffk> | Also, is there a way to save an image without it automatically creating the thumbnail? |
| <Peter> | Yes. Disable the Thumbnail->Saving Creates option in the FOC |
| <freiheit> | jeffk, yes. In the File Open (or File Save) container, right click in an empty space (ie. not on the thumbnail) and disable the "Saving Creates" feature. |
| <jeffk> | I guess that feature wasn't there in older versions (which is all I have). |
| <tcaptain> | Is there any reason why a jpg made under PMVIEW OS/2 would fail to display in a Windows program? |
| <Peter> | Yes. It's there in v1.x |
| <jeffk> | Oh! I see it now... I expected to see something in the Options notebook for it. |
| <ManfredU> | Will v.2 be available in different languages? I think v1.x is, right? |
| <Peter> | Yes. If the windows program isn't fully JFIF compatible. Make sure that you disably the "Optimize entropy encoding" and "Progressive JPEG" options. First then you can be sure that all apps can read it. |
| <Peter> | v2 will be available in German soon after the English version is GA |
| <Peter> | Later in French and probalby also in Spanish |
| <Peter> | soon= < 4 weeks |
| <ManfredU> | ok thanks for the info. |
| <mandie> | g'evening :) |
| <ManfredU> | Can i switch to another language with my reg key? |
| <Peter> | Yes |
| <Abraxas> | Hello, mandie |
| <Sector> | Hello mandie |
| <mandie> | hiya Dan :) |
| <mandie> | Sector :) |
| <Sector> | MODE +o mandie |
| <mandie> | you think my bot would be a bit nicer to me :) |
| <Sector> | You need to train her better |
| <mandie> | Peter: welcome and thank you for joining us tonight for the speakup! |
| <jeffk> | Hey there, mandie! |
| <mandie> | you have done a "Wonderful"! job with pmview!!!! |
| <mandie> | jeffk!!!! hi there!!! ;) |
| <Peter> | mandie: Thanks! |
| <mandie> | so is it ready for ordering from bmt now? |
| <Peter> | No. BMT needs to get the key update system running first... |
| <mandie> | maybe I should hold the questions until we officially start |
| <mandie> | ah, ok |
| <mandie> | oh my gosh!!1 |
| <mandie> | I forgot we were starting at 7 :( sorry I'm late folks |
| <mandie> | how rude! |
| <Swanee> | mandie: I think we started an hour ago. (I was only 40 minutes late) :-) |
| <mandie> | Swanee: I just got a "reminder" :( |
| <Swanee> | :-) |
| <mandie> | guess I'll need to read the logs :( |
| <Sector> | Swanee you where not quite 40 minutes late... |
| <mandie> | Peter: are we discussing both windoze and os/2 pmview? |
| <Swanee> | Thanks Sector. You're so good to me. |
| <Peter> | Yes |
| <Sector> | *** Swanee (swanee@bay2-15.daktel.com) has joined #voice [16:36:16] |
| <Recusant> | Peter: Have you considered using NTFS streams to support cached thumbnails? |
| <Peter> | Recrusant: No. I doubt Windows users would welcome this feature. Also, it does not provide folder thumbnails like the OS/2 EAs do... |
| <mandie> | Peter: in win98 I have all graphic formats assoc with pmview..yet there are times that I will click on one from windows commander (file manager) and it will say it can't open it and it only shows the dir and not the entire path to the file...other times it works fine |
| <mandie> | whew! |
| <mandie> | oops...it actually just shows the drive...ie j:\ and not even the dir path |
| <Peter> | Hmmm... is there a space in the filename? |
| <mandie> | hmm..hadn't thought of that..I'll check |
| <mandie> | no actually the one I just tried is 3_crazyOP.jpg |
| <Peter> | Try renaming it by removing the underscore |
| <mandie> | it is buried down in subdirectories...I just copying it to a directory and the file in the sub and it opened fine |
| <Peter> | Maybe one of the directories contains a space? |
| <mandie> | originally it was in the 5th subdirectory |
| <mandie> | yes sir! |
| <Peter> | Let me check that... |
| <mandie> | it won't open in graphic file that in the NetObjects Fusion 4.0 subdirs |
| <Peter> | That shouldn't be a problem... I |
| <Peter> | What happens if you open the folder that contains the file and double-click on it? |
| <mandie> | same thing |
| <mandie> | the status bar just says Netobjects : Cannot open file |
| <Peter> | Open a command prompt and cd to the PMView directory. |
| <Peter> | Then try typing pmview "full_path_and_file_name" (with quotation marks!) |
| <mandie> | ok, sec |
| <Peter> | My guess is that PMView is that PMView is lauched with missing quotaion marks in the file name. |
| <mandie> | no go |
| <mandie> | oopss..wait typo :( |
| <jeffk> | {wave} *poof* |
| <mandie> | it worked fine |
| <mandie> | Peter: but when I moved that file to a different directory..it worked ok |
| <Peter> | Yes, because then there was no space in the file or directory name, right? |
| <mandie> | right |
| <Peter> | THe problem is that PMView is being launched without quotation marks around the file name. This is a windows configuration error. |
| <mandie> | figures :( |
| <Peter> | So instead of seeing parameter1: "d:\my images\test.gif". PMView sees parameter1: "d:\my" parameter2: "images\test.gif" |
| <mandie> | ahh ok |
| <mandie> | well, then I'll just continue to leave pmview open and d&d when I need to view those files |
| <Peter> | :-) |
| <mandie> | where there's a will..... :) |
| <mandie> | Peter: sorry for the mis-message :) |
| <Peter> | mis-message? :-) |
| <mandie> | :) |
| <Peter> | Are there any Linux users here tonight? |
| <ManfredU> | not really |
| <Swanee> | Not I |
| <Sector> | Hmmm, could be some hidding in the shadows... |
| <freiheit> | OS/2 and BeOS only, here. |
| * | |Chrissy| raises her hand slowly * |
| * | Sector sees at least four at the moment * |
| <ManfredU> | I did install Linux not long ago, but do not use it much until now, am used to my installed apps on OS/2 and NT |
| <Peter> | PMView v3 will be available for Linux and I'm facing a tough choice regarding the selection of user interface library. It looks like Qt (KDE) is the way to go... |
| <|Chrissy|> | Im happy to hear that :) |
| <ManfredU> | Will that mean that it runs only with KDE? |
| <Peter> | No. But it will have the look & feel of KDE... |
| <ManfredU> | I see |
| <Sector> | Hmmm, how about configurable GUI so you can choose your look and feel
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